What To Do In Case Of A Civil War

There have been rumblings of a new civil war for several years now, as the political divide in this country has broadened.

Many on the right consider it a bit of a joke, as there are more gun owners on the left than there are on the right. However, there are actually more gun owners on the political left than most of us realize. According to information from statistia.com, 16% of Democrats claim to own guns. While that is considerably lower than the 45% of Republicans who own them, it’s not something that can just be ignored.

We’re all aware that Democrats have refused to accept President Trump’s victory in 2016, with those in the Congress and the press working overtime to find some ways to get rid of him. That’s what Mueller’s Russian investigation was about and that’s what impeaching the president was all about, their two most blatant attempts.

But Democrat’s refusal to accept the results of elections is nothing new. They have a long history of contesting election results, including the infamous “dimpled chad” debate in Florida, during the 2000 presidential elections. Al Gore lost that election but didn’t want to accept the loss, so tried to get the results overturned on a technicality.

Democrats used every trick in the book to win the last elections, even resorting to illegal activity if the information I’ve seen is true. There was a considerable amount of violence, as paid “activists” tried to affect the election. But even with all that, Democrats didn’t succeed in changing the vote and getting what they wanted. They’re still denying that Donald Trump won the election fairly and legally.

I’m sure that the Republicans’ hands aren’t totally clean when it comes to the election process, but for some reason, pretty much every case of voter fraud I hear of works in favor of the Democrats. That’s highly suspicious and makes me think that they are clearly the less ethical of our political parties.

Now, before Election Day has even gotten here, organizations tied to the Democrat Party are already talking about what they’ll do, if Joe Biden doesn’t win by a landslide. Put simply, the violence from the death of George Floyd is nothing compared to what they are planning on doing.

Will it be War?

Whether things get bad enough to turn into a war is yet to be seen. Up till now, the mobs of rioters have basically limited themselves to mostly unsophisticated weapons like bricks and Molotov cocktails. That’s probably not because they don’t want to hurt anyone, but rather, because they don’t want to end up in jail. Even so, more and more seem to be carrying firearms.

Just the other day there was a face-off between the rioters and armed conservatives in Nashville. The fact that such a face-off happened isn’t all that surprising, as we’ve seen other such occurrences over the last several years when rioters clashed with counter-protesters. But what made this different was that it was hard to tell which side people were on. From the video, it looks like there were just about as many armed protesters, as there were armed citizens who were there to protect their city.

The amazing thing was that no shots were fired in that confrontation, although there were plenty of angry words spoken… or shouted. Even so, it appears that nobody pulled the trigger. If they had, it would have probably been a bloodbath.

It’s doubtful that we can have many of these confrontations, without them turning violent. There are plenty on both sides who are stoking the fires. But perhaps the most dangerous fire stoking going on is that there are those on the left who are telling their people that Republicans just can’t wait to kill them.

Can you imagine going into a hostile situation with the understanding that the other side just can’t wait for a chance to kill you? How would that affect your thinking? How would it affect your actions? It seems to me, that it would put my nerves on edge, where almost anything could be misunderstood to be a threat. Unless I was highly trained and disciplined (I am), it would be easy to respond to that potential threat by pulling the trigger. Once I did it, others would follow.

For that matter, it doesn’t even take someone pulling the trigger to turn that situation deadly. All it would take is someone setting off a fire cracker. I’m sure there are enough people in that crowd who don’t know the difference and who would react to the noise as if it were a gunshot.

The problem is, there are those who would consider the loss of life in that situation just “the cost of doing business.” They don’t care about the loss of life if it serves their political needs. While they might not light that firecracker themselves, for fear of getting caught, they would probably have no compulsion against ordering it lit.

The opening shot for the Battle of Concord, which stated the Revolutionary War, is known as “the shot heard round the world.” But it is not the only such shot. The Civil War was likewise started from a single shot, this time at Fort Sumter. World War I was started by the killing of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. The point is, all it takes is one shot to start a war. If both sides don’t take a big step back after that first shot, the war quickly escalates.

What’s the War About?

There are those who are billing this next civil war as a “racial war;” but that’s not true. All we need to do to see the fallacy in that statement is to look at the riots that have been happening. There have been as many whites involved in those riots, as blacks; and the whites are more likely to be the ones to start any real battles.

The riots we have seen and any further violence is nothing more than a collective temper tantrum. Rioters are making demands of people, businesses, and governments, attempting to force them to bow their knee to the rioters’ demands. Like the demonstrations which have happened on various college campuses, they think that their demanding something should be enough to force everyone to go along and give them what they want. 

This is, by definition, terrorism, using violence to cause political change. While the president has declared that ANTIFA is a terrorist organization, he hasn’t done so for BLM. That one is a bit more difficult because it is hard to separate the BLM organization from the movement in most people’s minds. For that reason, any attempt to label the BLM organization a terrorist organization will be met with a lot of backlashes.

While the riots we are seeing in this country have been birthed out of the Black Lives Matter movement, they have nothing to do with saving black lives. Rather, it is a Marxist revolution, intended to bring down the current order of things and replace it with socialism/communism. We can see this from the types of things that the left is demanding, such as defunding the police, tearing down monuments, changing names to just about anything that connects us with our past, and demanding redistribution of wealth.

Quite literally, this war will be about keeping America or losing it. If it is won by the revolutionaries, it will no longer be the land of the free and home of the brave. It will be a socialist or communist country, descending into poverty. We will not only have failed ourselves, in losing this war but the world as well, as the next two strongest countries in the country are China and Russia. Neither of which will be spreading democracy across the globe.

The Horrors of this next War

Compared to the last Civil War, this one would be much more horrible. A total of 618,222 men died in the Civil War, 360,222 from the North and 258,000 from the South. That’s more than have died in any war our country has fought, before or since. Yet I fear that this next civil war will far outstrip that number, and that’s something I just don’t want to see.

In most cases, you can’t tell a person’s political affiliation by their clothing, and in Louisville, they were mostly in tactical clothing. So that eliminates the visible affiliation shown by printing on T-shirts and MAGA hats.

Nor will there be any clear geographic boundaries in this coming war. About the closest we could say is the coastal liberal enclaves, versus the rest of the country. But even that is a false boundary, as there are many conservatives living in those coastal areas, just like there are many liberal cities in the rest of the country, even in conservative bastions like Texas.

Without any obvious uniform differences or geographic boundaries, it’s hard to tell how this war will go. Most likely it will be a war limited to urban areas, especially the larger cities. Since it will grow out of the current riots, it will probably start in the same places, mostly inner-city areas, largely inhabited by the very same people who the revolution claims they want to help.

What we’re looking at is long-term battles for the streets of our cities. Without clearly defined armies and boundaries, it will be hard to win any battle. Rather, there will just be ongoing battles every night, which could go on for years.

This is the future I see, one in which constant battles are being fought across our land. It will be urban guerilla warfare of the worst kind. Perhaps the only saving grace will be the lack of large weapons. But having seen how creative people can be in devising improvised weapons, I doubt it will stay that way.

Many innocent lives will be lost, perhaps more than of the combatants. Both sides will break the law, one in trying to bring about change through revolution, while the other is trying to protect the country. But to succeed in protecting the country from lawlessness and revolution, those fighting will have to become lawless themselves. Otherwise, they will be limited to fighting a purely defensive war.

That’s the only way the right can remain righteous in all this, fighting a purely defensive war. Using deadly force is still legal in all 50 states, although there are some which are limiting what you sort of firearms you can use. Even then, we’ve already seen examples of how left-wing prosecutors are going to try and villainize those who defend themselves, stretching credibility in an effort to charge them with crimes, while allowing those on the left to get off scot-free.

Avoiding the War

I have no desire to fight in this war, although that may not be possible. It is my hope that I can limit my involvement in protecting my home and family. But I swore an oath once when I received my commission in the Army and that oath doesn’t have an expiration date.

The best way to avoid the coming war, assuming it does come, is to not be where the fighting is happening. That may seem a bit simplistic, but it has been what civilians have tried to do in past wars, through the centuries.

Considering that the war will most likely be fought in the large urban centers, the best thing we can do is to move out of them. Even moving to suburbia would be advantageous, although I’d avoid areas inhabited by the wealthy. It seems those are beginning to be targeted, and with all the efforts from politicians on the left to villainize the wealthy, I’d say that the war will probably target them as well.

If you can move to a rural area, that will probably be best. Not only are there not enough people in rural areas to attract the troublemakers who are doing all the rioting and who will probably be pushing for war, but most of the people in those communities are also conservative, so they’ll band together to protect their homes and their community.

A Political Option

Of course, the other possibility is to allow the nation to go back to being what it was when it was founded. As the country was settled, states were different. Our founding documents recognize this and created the dual-sovereignty system, recognizing the sovereignty of both states and the nation. This allowed states to be different, except in a few well-defined areas.

Through the two-plus centuries of our country’s existence, the federal government has encroached more and more on state’s rights, primarily thorough their right to regulate interstate commerce. Since just about everything affects commerce and is affected by commerce, that has given federal lawmakers the opening they have needed, to be able to force the states into conformity and submission.

If we were to go back to the original plan, allowing states more autonomy and individuality, that would allow states which want to embrace left-wing ideas to do so, while states which wanted to keep what they have, remaining conservative, could do that too. It would allow us to remain united as a nation, even while permitting our differences to peacefully coexist.

But without that, I really don’t see any way to avoid this coming war. It’s just a matter of who fires that first shot.


[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/249775/percentage-of-population-in-the-us-owning-a-gun-by-party-affiliation/

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Bill White is the author of Conquering the Coming Collapse, and a former Army officer, manufacturing engineer and business manager. More recently, he left the business world to work as a cross-cultural missionary on the Mexico border. Bill has been a survivalist since the 1970s, when the nation was in the latter days of the Cold War. He had determined to head into the Colorado Rockies, should Washington ever decide to push the button. While those days have passed, the knowledge Bill gained during that time hasn’t. He now works to educate others on the risks that exist in our society and how to prepare to meet them. You can send Bill a message at editor [at] survivopedia.com.

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  • The U.S. is not immune to eventually coming to blows within, no nation in history has even permanently avoided such conflict and we have already experienced one. If and when another comes, just make sure you are on the right side, the side that wants to reestablish and preserve the Founding principles of this nation.

    • I’ve been reading the comments on this site to figure out what a civil war actually means in America. I guess McDonalds will be closed. It appears there’s not much information beyond that being pounded out by the fake news several times a day. The left is clearly living in la la land, and the right is getting frustrated more and more each day – but what kind of change does a civil war actually bring. From my corporate days I can tell you one thing – you better have an exit strategy otherwise this thing can go on forever with unpredictable results, and we don’t want that. Even though the left is targeting the right for “retribution” for voting Trump in 2016 we all know that’s a farce. Clearly the left’s cities will become death zones after the first bridges are taken out, utilities shut off, and other measures taken, but what good does it do? Killing leftists will just create more dead voters – who will vote for Democrats.

      So I can’t answer my question, except to say that the mainstream media led us down this rat hole, and perhaps they should be the target of opportunity. This avoids the race issue. If you have been on the wrong side of truth and justice by intention you should expect to be “hunted down and hung” as George Bush Sr. said. My inexperienced opinion is that violence against the media will shut them down, and whoever replaces them and rebuilds their studios and buildings will have a chance to depart from the fake news or suffer the fate of their predecessors. But its likely the media will not survive and the talking heads will be in hiding. Then what?

      It seems like there should be a playbook of some kind with names in it. It’s not high tech, but its probably what they did during the last civil war. Normally such a a thing would be a big undertaking to develop, but not these days. It should be possible for Militia Intelligence to name every liberal judge, every Democratic rep and senator at all levels. At that point they could all be “arrested” and charged with treason and punished depending on what they were involved in, RINOs included.

      But it really seems like the Antifa strategy of burning businesses is the only realistic thing to do. The right will just have bigger targets – big tech, big pharma, and much richer executives to handle. Based on what I’ve seen, just shaving them and cutting their hair would drive them insane. Capturing them would prove capability. Tatoos could mark them, and a Militia Re-Education Camp might have an impact.

      It seems a Militia Liason with law enforcement would be an important aspect of a property oriented revolt. You clearly want the good guys to look the other way or sick out on a action day. But even thinking about all of this, I’m still wondering if anyone has a plan – and an exit strategy – that puts the majority on a solid footing for success. So far, I just don’t see it. Perhaps I’m too regimented in my approach, but I just don’t see anything being effective without a plan. And finally, during one of the Antifa appearances in Arizona, someone found a 4-5 page instruction manual for the rioters. It was well written but stupid.

  • I hope this doesn’t happen, but anyone in their right mind has several scenarios passing through their mind about now. Avoid crowded areas, seek shelter with friends, family, or neighbors. Safety in numbers, and mutual protection for all. There will be people that don’t believe in the violence they are witnessing. You will have to decide if they stay protected with your group, or left to fend for themselves. I honestly pray we will chose to protect anyone who seeks safety among us.

  • If the radical left keeps pushing it will happen.

    • That’s right. The Left even promised that they will target the suburbs.

      • WHOA EVERYBODY!!! Take a deep breath and listen to yourselves as well as others commenting here. It’s no wonder there are so many senseless killings in this world. I am a democrat as well as a Christian and read my bible regularly. (I have read it in its entirety more than once) I also have friends of other faiths, races, and political views. I am also NOT a gun owner. There’s this commandment in the bible; thou shalt not kill. Remember that one? We each have two ears and eyes and only one mouth for a reason. To allow us to pay attention to what others are saying. Let’s not clump all republicans or democrats into one group, or all blacks or whites or whatever race into one group due to the actions of a few. That is the definition of bigotry and racism.

        • Jennifer Davis: The commandment “Thou shalt not kill” is a mis translation. In Hebrew it reads t”Thou shalt not commit murder”. There is a difference in the two. We are allowed to defend ourselves. I agree with you on the divididness going on in pour nation today. It all results from departure of the nations standards that are NOT Biblical or GODly. We are, I believe, a nation that is now under judgement. We all need to ask forgiveness and turn to GOD. We must not underestimate what GOD can do This is truly a battle between good and evil, and we must with GOD’s help remove the evil permeating our country. Sadly, I think it will take force. I don’t wish it that way either, but until Christians stand up against this evil, it will probably keep on happening. Are you one that is for our churches being shut down? I’m not. And it will take Christians to stand up against this.

        • What is happening in your country is appalling. I hope it doesn’t come to a civil war. I am not an American but I am concerned about what is happening in your country as it affects the rest of us. I am following your election campaigns and will be watching the election results. I hope the citizens in your country get out to vote or use a mail in ballot. I hope the result of this election will be a whole bunch of good politicians taking office and doing right for the citizens of the United States of America thereby avoiding a civil war.

        • As a Christian who lives by the commandment Thou shalt not kill, how can you vote for a platform that kills babies? Isn’t abortion going against that commandment? I’m a Christian as well and there are many things I have liked in the past about the democratic platform but I never felt right about agreeing with those who promote abortion. To me this means that they have no real regard for life and that will eventually, if it hasn’t already, be seen at other levels of humanity.

        • The concept of Thou Shalt Not Kill is a misonception. Historical evidence proves that it was written as Thou Shalt Not Murder. See -https://biblehub.com/exodus/20-13.htm

  • Well a few things here. Recall the activity outside Atlanta at stone mountain on the 4th of July. The BLM derivative group all wore green tape wristbands if you were carrying a weapon. Their logistics personnel mixed in didn’t have them. So there is a thread to self identify. But now that it his been exposed as a tactic it is like to change in form but the idea will still prevail so the group knows who they are. Also recall on 1 July the customs guys intercepted 10,500+ drop in auto seers for AR-15s that were headed for Melbourne Florida. These were sponsored by the Chinese. So now you have direct evidence that any internal struggle will have external components attached. Those actions can dynamically shift things. There were pictures circulating on the 13th September of dozens of BLM and ANTIFA flagged buses at the 595 truck stop in Ft Lauderdale, FL. These were supported by armed guards. Associated with this action was asocial media output
    “Election Day nears Comrades!!! Prepare to defend your rights!! ANTIFA COMRADES! on nov. 4 don’t forget to disguise yourselves as patriots/Trump supports: wear MAGA hats, USA flags, 3%er Insignias, a convincing police uniform is even better! This way police and patriots responding to us won’t know who their enemies are and onlookers and the media will think there are Trump supports rioting so it’s harder to turn popular opinion against us!”
    Of course there are counter tactics to all this but not for publication. Hopefully we have law enforcement that is all over this stuff.

  • Watch The Social Dilemma, a documentary on how internet alogrithims are only giving you information based on what you already believe, and as a result people no longer have the ability to tell truth from fiction and conspiracy theories are rampant and stoking violence and hatred – and every time you click on something advertisers get paid – so they only give you what you want to hear.

    This entire post, sadly proves the point. If there is to be a civil war, it will be with this kind of stoking (the left here is worse than the right). Which is amusing because I just read another article saying the same thing about how both were bad but the Right will butcher you in your sleep. See what I mean? But nobody does their own thinking anymore, they just want to be told what they already believe. All the lefties convinced the Right is going to kill them in their sleep, all the righties convinced the Left is going to slaughter their children.

    Neither side is wrong, neither is right. But YOU are helping stoke divide with the kinds of statements you make here. I’ve been deployed twice, I’ve seen firsthand what a county at civil war looks like. All my life I’ve known good, decent people – some of whom are Democrats, some Republicans – they both want the exact same things, they just come at the problem with different solutions. This tribalism needs to stop – why don’t you be one to try and stop it instead of throwing more wood on the fire? At the end of the day we’re responsible for everything we do and say that we shouldn’t – or don’t do or say when we should.

    If it comes to civil war, be aware you did your small part to help it come about with this kind of article. But hey, even God Himself doesn’t mess with human free will, right? Let me be wrong that my message falls on deaf ears. Please let me be wrong, I would be happy to be wrong.

    • Being aware of the situation is not the same as fomenting war. If we don’t discuss the problems we are potentially facing, then we won’t be ready if they do occur.
      Many of us are legitimately concerned by the increase in violence connected with these so called “peaceful protests”, and the way certain people are being targeted by these mobs. Look at what happened to Rand Paul and his wife after they left that event at the White House a couple of weeks ago. This was right outside the White House in an area that should have had a heavy police presence, to a US senator, with Secret Service there. They were swamped.
      If this can happen to an elected official, us regular folk really are in physical danger, regardless of politics. A mob is not going to be taking a poll of their politics if it’s out for blood…simply looking a certain way will be enough to trigger violence.

  • Another excellent article, Bill, and I agree with Bob L. that we need to make sure that we are on the right side. I, too, fear that a second Civil War is all but inevitable, but what is the “right” side? Bill, you say that the Democrats want to start a war if Biden loses, but everything I’ve read and heard points to the exact opposite being true. When the book “The Turner Diaries” was published back in the 70s, the right wingers began to call for a “race war.” This has been a rallying cry for the neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists, etc. — whatever you want to call them — for the past fifty years. Now, with the Black Lives Matter demonstrations that have been going on, the white supremacists see it as their opportunity to demonize the peaceful black demonstrators to justify going out and slaughtering them in their “race war.” I read one guy online, recently, claim that whites needed to take whatever actions were necessary to set up Trump’s 1000-year Reich and they could “purify themselves later.” That kind of rhetoric is fanatical and terrorism. That guy is advocating the murder of blacks and thinks that God will, somehow, forgive that sin because they can “purify themselves later.” It doesn’t work that way. No one who commits a sin with the idea that “I can ask for forgiveness later” will be forgiven. At least not in the Christianity that I was taught. Forgiveness only comes if someone is truly sorry and repents of their sin and vows never to commit that sin, again. You can’t plan for forgiveness in advance, and then go out and commit evil. That’s a one way ticket into Hell! That is evil talking and trying to seduce people into supporting evil and taking evil actions. So, I think the first shot will be fired by a right-wing white, because that is what they seem to believe. As you pointed out, it is mostly the whites of Antifa who are doing the rioting and looting. But, the white supremacists are blaming it all on the blacks who, for the most part, are simply demonstrating peacefully. Over and over, I have heard the black demonstrators condemn the violence. Many of them do not even want white people to demonstrate with them, because they feel that the whites are twisting their message. Yet, the whites on the right continue to blame the blacks for everything and ignore the fact that it is the white socialists who are taking advantage of the Black Lives Matter demonstrations to cause chaos! And, then there is Trump. He is already setting the stage for a civil war. He has stated, publicly, on several occasions, that if he loses the election, it will be proof that the election was rigged. THAT IS AN OUTRAGEOUS CLAIM AND NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT SHOULD EVER, EVER, EVER SAY SUCH A THING, BECAUSE IT COMPLETELY IGNORES THE WILL OF THE VOTERS AND DE-LEGITIMIZES OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO VOTE!!! What Trump is saying is that any vote against him is an illegitimate vote! That is something that President Erduon of Turkey, or Kim Jung Un of North Korea would say, not an American president! The Constitution says that everyone has the right to vote and to have their vote counted! It does NOT say that everyone must vote for Trump, and if they don’t, then the election is fraudulent! The biggest danger that may lead to civil war is Donald Trump, himself, but people on the right refuse to see that. Bottom line: Yeah, I’m scared. I’m scared of what may happen after the election. It MAY be a left-winger who fires the first shot, but odds are that it will be a right-winger because they have been calling for a “race war” for the past fifty years. Hell, it’s been longer than that! Charles Manson ordered his “family” to commit the Tate and Bianca murders because HE wanted to start a “race war!” This is something that whites have wanted ever since the end of the Civil War and I fear that they will start another civil war, just to get the “race war” that they’ve craved for so long. Dear God, I hope I’m wrong!

    • Hi Dale. PLEASE start getting your information from reliable sources. As you speak, all I hear is CNN MSNBC and the like. You sound very intelligent, but very misinformed.

    • I DO NOT want a race war. I believe ALL are God’s children and should be treated as such. That being said, I will defend my family, my church, my constitution. I am anti-communist. I research and read about both sides. I recently read about the revolutionary communist (go to revcom.us for information) . They want a revolution. Rumor in Idaho is that antics and Black Lives Matter have set up a training camp by Victor, Idaho. If true, that will be a game changer. Pray for peace.

    • Easy to tell what side you will be on Dale

    • Trust me, you are wrong. I don’t know where you got your “information”, but it’s all lies.
      There have been white supremacists who have called for a race war, but there have also been black supremacists who have done the same. Don’t believe everything you read about it being solely white hate…there are crackpots on either side of the equation who are looking for an excuse to commit murder, but they are blessedly few.
      There is increasing evidence that the increased race baiting is being funded by sources outside of the country, and by a shadowy cabal of global elites who are seemingly bent on world domination at any cost to the citizens of said globe. Manipulation of the food supply, medicine, water, and other precious resources is one tool… fomenting civil war is another. If Americans are slaughtering each other in the streets and our government is in disarray, who else but the UN can step in to restore order, especially if it is at the behest of the “legitimate” government?
      Please research this thoroughly, using as many sources from outside mainstream media as you can. If you keep your mind open and take what you find with a very large grain of salt, you will begin to see a pattern emerge that will contradict what MSM is telling people.
      Don’t believe it? The next news cycle, look for the next “big bombshell” story about Trump. Check as many news sources as possible. I can guarantee that they will present the “story” in exactly the same manner, and using the exact same language, or with only a slight variation. That many people repeating the exact same script should raise a red flag. See if I’m right, then decide for yourself.

    • If you actually believe that the “blacks are simply demonstrating peacefully” you have your head in the sand and have bought into the CNN/MSNBC/Pelosi/Schumer lies. I see plenty of blacks throwing Molotov Cocktails, bricks, railroad spikes, frozen water bottles, and firing commercial-grade fireworks at law enforcement officers trying to defend a courthouse, a police precinct, or private property. I saw eight blacks not do anything to help the deputies who were gunned down in Compton. In fact, they were laughing and shouting “somebody aired out them cops real good.” Then a whole bunch of nothing but blacks blocked the ER entrance at the hospital where they were taken and chanted they hoped the mfers died. BLM coined the chant, “Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon.” And don’t forget, the Democrat party is the party of slavery. And don’t forget, your darling Joe Biden voted for segregation, for bussing, for separate but equal schools. If that’s not racist what is? And while we’re talking about people moaning about illegitimate votes and illegitimate elections, Hillary has been whining for four years about her well-deserved defeat. Until Biden came along, she was the worst candidate ever to compete for the presidency. She is a criminal. If you or I had done what she did with her illegal use of a home server to store highly classified information, we’d be in jail forever. And what about the fake Steele Dossier that Hillary paid for, or the lies and deceit of Comey et al to get fraudulent FISA warrants to ruin one American’s life and to spy on the Trump campaign and then to propagate the ridiculous Russia Hoax that led to a purely partisan impeachment.

      Now let’s address the rioting. The Antifa and BLM Marxists are continuing to burn down cities–cities by the way that are Democrat-led. When was the last time Republicans responded to an election, past or future, with this level of violence, or any violence whatsoever? NEVER. You are dead wrong about who will fire the first shot, because it as already been fired by a BLM terrorist who killed a peaceful prayer marcher in cold blood. Thankfully that animal got what he deserved. And there are a lot of us who would like to catch that cowarly black piece of human excrement who ambushed those Compton officers. If I caught him, I’d skin him alive–1″ strips at a time. I saw that in Vietnam done to our GIs. Very effective tactic to make a point. And if we do have a race war because of what these black anarchists are doing, there won’t be many blacks left in America and it will be their own fault. That’s what happens when you try to push something like Socialism onto the American people. The patriots will defend this country while liberals like you, who have never done anything to protect this country, sit in the corner wringing their hands and pissing their pants.

      • LTC: Thank you for your service. It’s to bad they don’t have the thumbs up option on this site. I’d give you 100 of them. Well stated response.

      • Thank you Mark. I’ll stand with you anytime, against any odds, and you’ll be surprised how many are with us

        • I agree I witnessed the fake news during a peaceful Trump rally in Ocala Florida. The media just showed what they wanted So much fraud going on. That is spurring the anger we cannot even trust our officials to run a moral and legal election.

      • Thank you for your service Mark, and I am 100 percent with you!

    • Yes, you are wrong. You think this is the fault of white supremacists? I’m sure there are some white supremacists around, but I think you would be hard-pressed to find enough of them to fill a volkswagon.

  • I missed the part about the role of the state (I.e. police, army, national guard, etc.). I guess their role will depend on who’s in charge, but I find it hard to contemplate any civil war without the intervention of the government in trying to keep things… uh… civil. I mean, unless it’s total war which as you said it’s not clear-cut as in 1861 when it was south vs. north, etc. Other countries have fallen to civil war and it was a mess, look Lebanon, Haiti, etc. Even if things escalate in US and it becomes violent, I can’t really imagine those extreme scenarios. It may be guerrilla warfare, localized attacks and stuff like that maybe. Pretty bad still, I hope people come to their senses.

  • The 2nd Civil War may have already begun. BLM was founded by self proclaimed Marxists (ie Commies). They have already taken over the educational system (from grade school to Grad School). 50% of today’s “students” embrace Socialism or outright Communism. They have taken over the Democrat Party , the entertainment industry, and the MSM. The pattern they are following is the same one they have employed in the past. Create civil unrest to the point a “police state”must be invoked in order to bring order to society. Then, when the resistance is formed to overthrow the police state, they take over the resistance and when they achieve victory, a Communist State is created. This of course depends on the American people being submissive sheep. The last 5 months show how submissive we are. Land of the Free ? Home of the Brave?

    • TruthBTold your right on point! BLM and ANTIFA are both getting more violent and I myself and all patriots will protect their own families at all cost! God be with us! I dreamed for months before all these riots happened that me and a bunch of other whites were trying to get away from approaching blacks who were hunting us down and killing us, didn’t make much sense but it is more clear in these present times. My dream was a nightmare but I have faith that us patriots will prevail in the end!

    • Apparently trump can’t keep order and he’s the pres. So I guess we’re already getting fucked by the govt

  • Make a decision. The road is paved with flat squirrels who couldn’t make up their mind. Choose wisely. If this happens, our freedom will be at stake. We’ve seen what the Left does and heard what they say. They do not stand for freedom. They are using violence and the threat of violence to try and control things. It’s all they have…nothing else.
    “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984
    The boot will have a jackass emblazoned on the sole and an ass will be wearing it.

  • The only ones I hear talking about a civil war, are Republicans. While I realize that Trump would prefer to be “King Trump” as opposed to President, had the popular vote decided the last election rather than the electoral college, he wouldn’t have made it to president. The electoral college has outlasted it’s usefulness. These days the general populace is well educated enough to choose our own president. I’m a democrat living in a republican state so I don’t bring up politics in public. I value my life too much for that!

    • Funny… I’m a republican in a democratic state, and I feel the same way…but with good reason.
      I can tell you about many, many times that Republicans have been mobbed, shouted at, threatened, beat up, knifed and shot.
      How many times has a democrat been assaulted by Republicans?
      It doesn’t even come close!

      • The Electorql College is the only thing that keeps the small states from being overrun by the larger states…it keeps the center of the country from being controlled by the big cities! Haven’t you read your history as to why the Founders set it up this way?

    • Jennifer: The electoral college is needed. The problem with it is that different states have different rules regarding how the elecvyoral college votes. The rules need to be standardized with the elecoral college. In some states, if it’s a close race, all the electoral votes go to the one who has the majority. They are not split or proportionate to how the popuace v oted. Some states even allow those in the electoral college to vote as they want to vote, and not according to what the voters in their area voted.

  • Just 3 hrs. ago while preparing dinner, my husband and I were having a conversation about which generator to purchase. I was pushing for 1 each of solar and gas. My justification was the coming civil war. I was being a tad bit flippant but also serious. I am truly fearful of what is coming when the elections are over.
    Voila!!! When I checked my Emails after dinner, there was your very concise article waiting for me. Chilling, but we can’t be ostriches these days. Thanks!

  • You are absolutely right, Jennifer. The Electoral College is an anachronism that should be done away with. It was a mistake on the part of the Founders. If America is supposed to be a democratically-elected republic, then the vote of every voter should count, but the Electoral College makes certain that every vote DOESN’T count. Even worse, the electors who are chosen by each state legislature to cast that state’s votes for the president are NOT required to vote for the candidate that was chosen by the state’s voters!! The whole thing came about because the Founders considered the American people — who were mostly simple farmers with no formal education — were too stupid to decide who should be president. If the voters of a state decided to choose the “wrong” candidate, that state’s electors could then choose another candidate who they felt was the “right” candidate. The Electoral College should have been done away with a long time ago . . . especially after what happened in 2016.

    • Not a mistake Dale. The electoral colege needs to have the same rules for each state. The rules differ according to state and not all in the electoral college vote as the populace really voted. The electoral college is not something to be done away with. It’s the states that allow those in the electoral college to vote as they want to vote.

    • We happen to be a Constitutional Republic. The founders were repulsed by a Democracy and a true democracy rules by majority only. So much for equal representation, eh.

  • Anyone who still thinks that Antifa is truly against fascists and that Black Lives Matter really care about black lives hasn’t been listening well. It is a perfect case of accusing others of what you are doing, and Marxists are experts at it. With the left-wing media covering for the progressives (Democrats), they can get by with anything, and they know it. But those of us who are careful to watch what is going on with understanding see very clearly who the ones are who are killing innocent police officers, breaking laws on every hand, calling for anarchy, threatening and beating up lawmakers they disagree with (Republican and Independents), taking over cities in, surprise, Democrat-run states, and calling for an end to our Constitution and the rights it guarantees. Now they are calling on their people to dress as conservatives so that we will be blamed for the evil they are doing. You have to give them credit for one thing: they are masters at deception. But, then, so is the devil.

  • I think it is time that the American people start standing up to antifa (no capital A, no respect to terrorists) b.l.m. ( no respect there either) both of these groups have lost all meaning as to what they are demanding. When they started destroying property owned by hard working Americans most people were in shock. Well, when these true Americans stood against the terrorists in our beautiful country they cry RACISTS. I have watched them terrorize children, elderly,truck drivers, small business owners, you get the point. My husband and I are experienced and well trained gun owners. If we must protect what we have worked for all our lives than so be it. We will not shoot to warn or injure ( you know what they say about injured animals) we will shoot to kill. Won’t hesitate, because we are America, we live in a Purple state, and most people I know who voted Democrat will now be voting for Trump, finally woke up I guess. It’s important for everyone to understand that giving the rioters what they want is like giving in to your 2 year old’s tantrum, they’ll be happy, but only until they want something else. These riots have taken the so called racial divide back about a hundred years, what good did that do?

    • You both deserve a thumbs up! I’ve read of many instances where CC citizens have saved lives and prevented crimes. I give you all other out there like you a thousand thumbs up. I’m a senor citizen and doubt I could properly handle a gun any more like I once could. It’s good to know there are people like you and your husband out there watching. THANK YOU

  • I am really tired of hearing people say that we need to abolish the Electoral College…if you say this you just don’t know your history. The Founding Fathers put this in our constitution because the small states would not approve the Constitution as written because they were afraid of being “run over” by the big states…Hence the Electoral College was part of the Great Compromise….look it up!! The purpose of the Electoral College was to keep big states, like New York and California, always electing the President because they had the highest population….The Electoral College works! That’s how Pres. Kennedy(Democrat) was elected in 1960 and Donald Trump(Republican) in 2016….neither of them had the most popular votes but had the most electoral votes and so were elected President. The Electoral College is as important today as in 1790.

    • Thanks Steve, now I don’t have to reiterate your info. Fair elections in a diversely populated nation are not as simplistic as having a so-called ‘democratic’ vote.. especially since there is always such a significant number of people who for some inexcusable reason don’t vote but always seem to have a highly opinionated position on everything. The Framers knew that you cannot have a true potential for an Egalitarian system with a pure democracy, which just means that you vote for your leadership.. which, by the way can be a vote for a dictator or a theocracy, or whatever., So technically 51 percent wins, but that would be an inequitable representation of the majority will of the people. Half of the population cannot be controlled by the other half..due to a close digital hair splitting count. Oherwise, there will always be conflict and serious divisiveness.. Elections are hard enough as it is to keep honest but pure highest score only to win of the popular democratic election voting is easier to corrupt. The Framers knew this and tried to cover the bigger picture to ensure that a more accurate over all majority rules, because after all, in a true Egalaitarian Libertarian Republic like we tried to start out as, the outcome of the elections should represent what MOST people would accept as reasonable. , But the term ‘democracy’ itself was hijacked over time and manipulated to mean a form of government system… Believe it or not, this was a slow, long time indoctrination in America with tell-tale Marxist roots. and ongoing extreme leftist socialist influence.. Back in the day the term Republic was primarily used used to describe our way of government Then they started to use the term Democratic to describe a political party. because ‘Re-Public meant a government owned and controlled and managed by the sole consent of the people . Then calling our government a ‘Democracy’ was just an intentional insidious device called NLP to brainwash the politically unwashed into forgetting about who really runs the show, (Re-Public of/by/for the people) so that they could slip in a Statist mentality set over time. And, of course, in the past couple of years ‘they’ have turned up the volume by wanting to abolish the Electoral college so that they could use mind control marketing among other corrupt vote gaining tricks to simply amass numeric vote supremacy.. You’re right Steve. The Electoral College is even more important today than it was in the beginning. With modern technology and improvements we could make ithe voting system even more efficient and honest..

      But If the Marxist Communists get in , i fully expect that abolishing the electoral system will be number 4 0r 5 on their ‘must do’ anti-Constitutional lawmaking list., Right after banning all firearms and mandating by Congressional law the formation of a cashless digital society. (and don’t think you’ll have a safe little underground economy with your handy gold and silver coins. That will be banned as well.).

  • This divisive stuff has to stop. This is not about stuff like racism or Marxism, it is about good versus evil plain and simple. The Marxist term ‘useful idiot’ applies to those who can be manipulated as tools to accomplish the Marxist agenda whether they understand it or not. Well this process is just one level deeper. The true manipulators are demons. Fools being manipulated are all those humans who don’t know God as their LORD and Savior. In the movie Rudy, Rudy asks a Notre Dame Priest how he can get help. Priest responds, I only know two things for certain “there is a God and I am not Him.” This simple revelation holds truth for everyone. We are created beings and we are not the creator. Therefore it would behoove everyone to reflect on this fact and then begin to search for Truth and not division. There are a lot of fools playing the role of useful idiot. We may have to confront them on the battle field of our minds as well as in the physical. Either way it is incumbent upon those who know the Truth to help others find freedom. If the useful idiots and fools knew and understood where their stupidity was taking them they would repent.

  • Just remember Folks, there is only one law in war, “Kill or Be Killed”!

    Any hesitation or deviation from this all important law, and YOU ARE DEAD!

    • That is fine and dandy for those who are engaged. Been there done that a lot. But there are more folks in support and logistics functions. They die because of complacence more often then is necessary. So awareness and diligence is also a rule for survival.

    • What about “You don’t win wars by dying for your country. You win wars by making the enemy die for his country.”

  • I want to throw something out there for people to comment on and I’d really like some feedback . . . Okay, I know that we’re being manipulated. by SOMEONE, but who that someone is, is the problem. It’s like Pat said up above, we need to stop pouring gas on the fire, figure out what’s going on, and come together as Americans to preserve our country and our freedom. That said . . . Almost all of these posts mention “Marxists” and “Communists.” Everyone knows that the Russians are Communists and that Communism was founded on the ideas of Karl Marx, therefore the Russians are Marxists as well. According to all of the U.S. intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI, etc.) it is the Russians who are constantly trying to interfere in our election process and manipulate us through social media. But (and here’s the big BUT), the Russians are working to get Trump re-elected. Those same intelligence agencies concluded that the Russians worked to get Trump elected in 2016. Sooo . . . if the Russians (i.e. the Marxists and Communists) are working on behalf of Donald Trump, doesn’t that make Trump the bad guy? I’m not trying to piss anybody off, I’m just saying that that is the logical conclusion as far as I can see it. If Marxism & Communism = BAD; and Marxism and Communism is working in favor of Donald Trump, then doesn’t that make Trump = BAD? Am I the only one who can see that? Someone else MUST have come up with the same conclusion! I’d like to know your thoughts.

    • Think you need your glasses cleaned. Trump is good, Biden is a corrupt senile fool. The Democrats are likewise fools in the group which blames their guilt on everyone else but themselves. Anybody who is talking about when Biden wins is nuts nobody in America wants Democratic corruption. Only those who are manipulated and are useful Idiots.

    • Dale:

      Where to begin…Yes, a number of different groups are not in favor of things the way they have been since 2016. Multiple forces, societal, economic, philosophical, and cultural have been allied to “fundamentally transform” our country. When it started is subject to conjecture…Late 1800’s , early 1900’s , Great Depression, Early 60’s, Welfare state…take your pick. The speed and rate of change are the alarming issue…the internet, social media, search engines, and self publishing platforms (including commenting like this) amplifies the message, sometimes significantly.

      The brazen disclosure of intent by elected officials (at least in private to their minions), as well as the perpetual growth and lawlessness of the administrative state, the explosion of administrative law (statues, rules, and regulations), and Departments of the Federal Government turning their power inward to reverse a dually elected group of government representatives all point toward two camps not able to agree on our foundational principles, ones that bind 50 states and two territories together as a constitutional republic.

      Enough new information has been exposed in the past 90 days to partially expose the intent of one camp. That camp has the backing of Media, entertainment, Administrative state, and the large Majority of Multinational Oligarchy. Their intent is to win at any cost, as long it is not their own life, or liberty at risk, and force a new system into place where they will no longer be concerned about changes to the system not entirely in their best interest.

      I would politely refer to this as “neo-feudalism” Others might refer to it as kings and subjects, oligarchs and surfs…more like an oligarchy…of the lawyers, by the lawyers, and for the lawyers (just pitbulls for the oligarchs)…Elected officials would then become the useful vessels-(Biden seems empty-JMO-to be filled by whatever his “betters” say.

      A “color revolution”-Hot topic, DuckDuckGo search it…the way our State Department and Admin State eliminates elected governments they don’t like may be turned inward against our electoral process….Consider it a “Bloodless Coup”. revolver.news has an interesting series on the concept.

    • So Dale…where are you?

      Do you believe in fundamentally fair just society, based on common ideas, mutual respect, formed by a founding document called the Constitution and recognizing the Rights of Citizens called the Bill of Rights? Do you believe that all citizens are afforded equal protection and rights under the law, and that those rights have been perverted and eroded by others who have their own interests above yours, who are not subject to the same laws as you or I, and are furious that we wont just sit down let them run things…

      Our existing system is broken, and it will take men and women of good faith, willing to put in the work required to return us from the brink…

      Or would you rather have someone else do the work, pocket the blessings of liberty, and feed you the scraps from their table? They will continue as long as they feel you are useful…Search the Whole Value of Life, a paper by Ezekiel Emanuel(Rahms brother)…and think “Tax mules and useless eaters when you read”

      Is “From Each according to his ability for each according to his need” a better way? An since the professional class is better educated, and willing to do the work, they should do it, so we all can just be entertained with “bread and circuses”?

      PS: The type of logical fallacy from your post is called a “false cause fallacy”

    • Dale: It’s pretty much been proven, or at least there does exist proof that Russia didn’t interfere and is not interferring now. It’s a flase accusation to direct us away from China who is interferring and backing Biden. It’s MSM that has been pushing the Russian thing. Proof does exist about China. China is trying to take over the world. China’s abuse of human rights is over the top. Think organ harvesting, no freedom of religion, no concern for human life. Forced abortioonsThe llist goes on and on and these things have been happening for years and years.

  • I’m guessing if Biden wins the election the rioting and looting will stop, at least temporarily, but we will lose many of our rights that make America a great country. If Trump wins, the rioting will worsen dramatically until he declares there is an “insurrection,” and uses the military to restore law and order. Considering that guns are flying off shelves and the supply of ammo has diminished so drastically, I would bet most people believe Trump will win and they want to be prepared to defend themselves. However, it is also possible people are simply stocking up on the weapons they will NOT be able to purchase if Biden wins and the radical left takes control of our country. Those people believe they will be able to hide their weapons when they are outlawed and confiscation measures take effect. In either scenario, the possibility for civil war exists, but I believe it is less likely if Trump is re-elected. Trump’s promise to quell the violence “quickly” using the military seems more likely to work–because on a small scale it already has. If Biden wins, however, people WILL be clinging to their guns and Bibles, and there may be many of those proverbial “first shots” heard where government authorities attempt to confiscate weapons. The Left’s disdain for Christianity is obvious, and their hatred of our nation appalling as well. And reparations…for what?! My forefathers were not slaveholders, and neither were most Americans ancestors. Furthermore, I’ve had no white privilege in my life, and in fact I have experience the opposite thanks to affirmative action. It seems to me the current unrest could be more correctly described as class warfare–the have’s verses the have nots–and that is something that is more difficult, if not impossible, to correct. There was a time in this country when a larger percentage of employers cared about their workers and paid them a “living wage.” Nowadays, it’s become a dog-eat-dog society…and the dogs have stopped going to church.

  • You’ve got a strange definition of “good” Phantom 30. I’ve seen Trump help no one but his filthy-rich friends while he’s nearly driven farmers and ranchers bankrupt with his trade wars. Trump wants to get rid of the Affordable Care Act and take away medical insurance from 40 million Americans. People who have pre-existing conditions won’t be able to get insurance, and many of them will die because of it, like the woman who confronted him at that town hall meeting, last night. He admitted that he’s been lying about the Covid-19 pandemic and “playing it down,” and 200 million Americans are dead because of his inaction. That’s good?! He calls our brave veterans who gave their lives defending this country “suckers” and “losers.” I could go on, but I don’t have all day. Vladimir Putin is no idiot. He’s an ex-KGB agent and a ruthless murderer who kills anyone who stands in his way. Yet, Putin has all of Russia’s military cyber forces working to attack our election in order to get Trump re-elected. Why? WHY? He’s not just doing it for sh*ts and giggles. Putin isn’t going to invest all of that time and money unless he has something to gain by keeping Trump in office. Like I said, you have a very strange idea of “good” if you think Trump is good!

    • Every point you attempt to make is just regurgitated democrat talking points. All proven false. Are they paying you to spew this crap. Here is a little talking point for you. It hast been around for over 2200 years. Ecclesiastes 10:2-3 (NIV) “2The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. 3 Even as fools walk along the road, they lack sense and show everyone how stupid they are.” I know good, your democrat party is clueless.

    • Dale, You sound like you’re pretty smart, So I can’t understand what you don’t get about who is helping Trump’s campaign? Wait a minute, I just had an epiphany as my fingers energized with the keyboard. You really do understand, but you are just amusing yourself while trying to troll your political sales pitch because you are anti-Trump and hope turn some votes against him here.. Well, You’re still in a ‘free country’ barely hanging on by thread, so it’s your 1st /A right, and I respect that. But this blog has a higher level of intelligent and life experienced free thinkers and can usually see right through your type of commentary.

      I could easily argue/defend/ counter point everything you said -which was just a repeat of what the leftist MSN’s re-manufactured information for their agenda based attacks on Trump. But it would be a waste of time since nothing is ever as it seems , it wouldn’t change your mind, and we’re off the subject s of Bill’s article message, which is the potential for a civil war in the near future..

      But for those out there who wonder about your implications the truth is this: All major and even some minor state elections are influenced in some way by other countries at some time or another for some reason or another during every Presidential campaign. It’s really no big deal anymore. Unless you are a rabid, agenda driven radically obsessive MSM who exaggerates the importance of this fact to undermine Trump. The major powers, of the world , course, are the major players. This has been going on for generations. We do the same in other countries. Why? You answered your own question. For something to gain. Money or alliances, or etc. Whether we like it or not we now live in a New financial World Order.. It’s just a bigger version of Corporatism. You know, Big business is trans-continental and contributes to political agendas that benefit themselves, so why not other governments following suit as well? Of course a lot of it is illegal, but that never precluded a determined effort to influence election outcomes in the past and never will in the future. It’s just part of the game..

      More specifically in this election: I think Putin and Trump are more in agreement about world issues that would mutually benefit Russia And America in the long run, and both are super rich businessmen which is a class that transcends all other ideology and politics so it makes some sense that at least they wouldn’t hate or try to destroy each other? I’ think they personally like each other to a certain degree. and have mutual private interests.

      Again, this is nothing new. From the Roosevelt days to ‘severely’ term limited JFK days to the Nixon times right up to the Obama years. They ALL had some kind involvement in the International political influence situation. Either for, or against their proprietorship.. Either Positive election influence, or negative influence.

      For Trump, China, on the other hand, is the Super Joker wild card in the game as far as negative support for him goes.. Just recently I briefly noticed a news release where one of our major intelligence agencies assessed that China seriously does Not want to see Trump re-elected. In my observations that has been evident for Trump’s entire term relationship with the Chinese government so far. They hated the U.S. for supporting liberty and human rights in Hong Kong, Trade Tariffs upset their international economic plans so much it made them grind their teeth down so much they only eat rice gummies now, They almost went militarily ballistic by the U.S. opposition to China’s insistence that they own Taiwan and most of the ocean around their country, and ,the continuous one upmanship when it comes to military surperiority and high tech warfare the U.S. has over them., Also Trump has a particularly irritating-to China– lack of being intimidated by the sheer vastness of China’s world class economic expansionism like the previous Obama-Biden cartel was.? You certainly would be trying to ‘influence’ the election against Trump if you were Behjing, woudn’t you ???

      Which is why if you set up a consortium to form think tanks with the most advanced minds to come up with the best way to avenge yourself against another superpower like America that you couldn’t stand without risking an all out shooting war with that country and studied possibilities for a couple years to finally arrive at a suitable punishment, there would be more choices than simply manipulating Face book marketing or funneling in funds to buy votes against your ‘enemy..

      And the one they ultimately came up with couldn’t have been a better choice for an eternity of scheming. if ‘god’ herself put forth the idea.

      A PLAGUE!

      One that would work well enough to damage the target country’s economy and create at least a recession. Because No incumbent POTUS was ever re-elected if the Country was in a Recession, as we are now, in directly because of the China Virus.

      One that would guarantee a rise in unemployment and severe financial hardships for the poor and even some middle class? Not to mention putting the general health of the economy in debt and risk.

      One that would foment nation wide spread dissent and anti-establishmentarian ideology in all the major American cities where high concentrations of votes are gained…or lost.

      Three Strikes like that and just about any current Potus would have a hard time surviving re-election. and be OUT!

      The extreme mission focused thought process of the oriental mind when it comes to ‘The Art of War’ is an awesome force to behold.

      What, you say? C’mon now, that’s going a bit over the barbed wire fence, here now…. That Virus came from a stupid Bat who wasn’t wearing a mask from a dirty Wet street market and was just a natural freak happening in nature that scientists have predicted all along for years now. You yourself even wrote an article here on Survivopedia a couple years ago about the chance of this happening (How to Prepare for the Next Deadly Plague)

      Because it was a general warning I didn’t specifically accuse China of anything but if you read the article carefully the implication was there. Biological warfare was always known as ‘the poor man’s nuclear bomb’. But it quickly was realized, as a universal replacement for many deployments of nuclear bombs because it achieves the same results of killing living things without destroying physical treasures and assets and infrastructure in the process. With advances in design of certain ‘germs’, one can tailor the effects, intensity, spreability, and etc. of the disease to suit more specific tactical purposes. In fact, if China gave it considerable thought, it wouldn’t be a ‘Giant Leap for Mankind’ to notice what a great device for other desirable social manipulations Biological agents could be?

      The truth is that ALL evidence–even the info that almost nobody knows–indicates that this Covid 19 China Virus originated in the Level 4 Bio-lab where they store and work on all this horrendous stuff in Wuhan which was a short distance from the alleged open food market. There’s almost no dispute on that anymore. Due to genetic associations some scientists claim it could have originated in a Bat but not directly. IOW it could have been from a bat specimen that was Stored in the lab, modified to purpose, and then released into the population.

      But why would China risk their own people. instead of just starting it in Italy or someplace else first? Because, Virginnia, they think these nefarious things out. The timing (coincidentally, right?!) is right where they could say even say that visiting athletic competitors from the U.S. started the spread in China or that it was an ‘accidental’ escape from the Lab (even though these L-4-B’s are more secure than Fort Knox) if their outdoor meat market lie fell through completely. and the lab has to ‘own’ it., which it looks like that’s the case according to a recent news release about a Chinese Virologist who has documented evidence that the Virus was lab created with intentional puspose for deployment! She’s being sequestered somewhere safe now either in the UK or U.S. after she made her escape from China, and working on her evidentiary report. Which probably won’t be released until after the election because the Trump people don’t need any major complications or distractions right now in their campaign.

      Conclusion: The entire blatant suspiciousness of this Outbreak notwithstanding, You couldn’t have hit on a better way to screw up a country’s political elections by causing a bad Pandemic in it a few months out. Especially if you have more than a Billion population where you could afford a collateral kill rate of the same amount of people as the entire American population without even blinking a slanted eye..

      So I hope that clears your sinuses of their ‘mystery mucous’ , Dale? If you vote for the Leftist Socialists for any or whatever rationale, that’s your individual private sovereign right as the Constitution stands right now. But not to withstand in the foreseeable future if the Leftists get in. I once paid my dues and proactively severely defended these rights in my young life and will continue to do so for you now. I just think you’re a bit misguided, misled, and subconsciously confused. I think that’s really the problem with most millennials and democrats who– for some inexplicable reason– deeply hate Trump. so much that they can’t even clearly articulate why that is when engaged in a forensic conversation about it.

      But virtually every die-hard Democrat who hates Trump eventually comes away from a conversation I have with them seriously scratching their heads about their political beliefs.

      You have pretty decent debate skills, and I hope you would use these to spread the word to Not vote for the Democratic Socialist party which is not a real American political party. Political parties came about because of groups of people dissenting against the status-quo and policy mandates in particular because of major financial and culture considerations in society as it grew. The original Founding had no parties in the very beginning and only emerged in British parliament imitation when these political disagreements couldn’t reach mutual agreements.

      The differentiating Party politics then and until now did not represent extreme division in government authority back then. Again, the differences were more in policy and pragmatic fiscal management than fundamental transformation. of the system itself. U.S. political parties were still required to adhere to and take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the firmly established American Republic. no matter who the Representative officials were after elections. And the Constitutional LAW OF THE LAND was to be followed in any event! No Dictatorships, No Theocracies,, No Oligarchies, no Kings or Queens, No Benevolent Despots, No Two Bit banana ‘republics’. And NO Socialist Communism.!

      The original Government Republic was actually more Constitutionally Libertarian than anything else. I am a Constitutional Libertarian.

      The difference with this election-and why some say it’s the most critical in the history of America–is that the entire purpose of the Socialist Democratic Party is to usurp the ORIGINAL United States of America ‘s Constitutional Republic system of government… They are going to severely change everything we ever realized about our liberties, Privacy, and individual people power.


      They don’t even try to hide or deny it anymore. Again, I think that most of the Democrats simply just don’t understand or even comprehend that due to so much pre-programmed brainwashing by everyone from the MSM to their revisionist teachers over the years. I wish we had more time to try to talk them out of possibly the biggest mistake they’re going to make in life.

      So no need to try to persuade and convince anyone too much on this blog that Trump is bad, Dale. It’s not really about the individual players in this coming political nightmare we all might never wake up from…

      Most have made up their minds by now. If the Socialist Communists gain power in this election, report back here In a couple years (if they don’t condemn this website. by then. Communism doesn’t support sovereign survivalist practices. They want you to depend and rely only upon your big government for ‘everything’.), but ‘feel free’–because you won’t really be free” to report back and let us know how you like who, or rather ‘what’ you helped create in this country? Take care

    • Last I checked our country population was a little over 300 million. I TOTALLY refute your claim that 200 million Americans are dead from Covid. Your claim is also refuted by our own government. Are you suggesting that 2/3 of all Americans have died from Covid? If your claim was true there would be piles of bodies littering the streets and our society would be in chaos.. You are simply WRONG in your numbers and suggest how ignorant to the facts you are. Current estimates are that about 200,000 Americans died with COVID contributing to their death. (A number one thousandth of your claim). The overwhelming number of these deaths occurred in people who had multiple severe pre-existing medical problems. Furthermore you assert that Trump wants to deny coverage to pre-existing conditions- he has repeatedly said that alternatives to Obamacare would have to cover pre-existing conditions. Obviously you get your incorrect information from certain agenda driven news organizations. Those same propagandists still claim that Trump won’t denounce the KKK and white supremacy (despite unedited video of Trump repeatedly denouncing them- try looking them up and open your eyes). Russia did try to foment chaos/instability and division in our elections through disinformation about BOTH candidates. (Nothing surprising there). Trump has been harder on Russia and the Chinese that any previous president and I am sure both would prefer the alternative (especially one who didn’t consider China as competitor). When you claim that you haven’t “seen Trump help no one but his filthy rich friends” is because you are blind to the opportunity zones he supported, the criminal justice reform he supported, the funding for traditionally minority colleges, record low unemployment for minorities and women and other reforms he supported to help the regular worker. You have swallowed the main stream propaganda talking points. It is the media and democrats that are causing our nation to be divided. Much of the media has promoted the false narrative of victimization and identity politics because it fits their political agenda and to entice viewers through sensationalism. The democrats have done the same thing to try to gain power from all these “victims”. Who wouldn’t want to riot if they have been convinced that they are being systemically oppressed and murdered? Unfortunately many people (evidently like you) have swallowed that victim narrative propaganda without looking at unbiased data that do not show the victimization. There are just too many false narratives to list that the main stream media has propagated- blacks systemically killed by police, black trans women being picked out for murder for their sex practice, unfair gender pay practices, black oppression, etc. These narratives can be dismissed through careful statistical cause analysis. So in conclusion the democrat agenda as supported by main stream media has fomented the anger and division in our country through false narratives which I do worry could lead to wide spread violence.

  • Mr. White, you’ve missed a few obvious things:

    1. The military will choose a side. That will be the side of traditional American patriotism. The colonels will make the decisions about individual unit loyalties. The generals will either be ignored or arrested.

    1b. With that military choice comes equipment. Artillery and AAA units can make an enormous difference in the outcome of urban battles.

    2. The actions of “left-wing” prosecutors will become irrelevant after a week, if they survive even that long.

    3. Urban combat requires logistics and provisions. Those food, ammunition, fuel, and even water resources will cease after two weeks through blockades. After six weeks, the unprepared Leftist city combatants will either starve in place, or attempt to flee to rural areas, where they will meet their demise. They are neither wanted nor needed.

    This civil war will last all of two months. There is only one question remaining: What do we do with the Left after they lose? They can’t stay in America, not after this kind of insurrection.

    My prediction: The Democratic party, its institutions, its supporters (including Soros) will be officially declared subversive organizations and banned, with all assets confiscated. The lawyers who seek to defend these supporters will themselves be arrested on a variety of charges. The judges who rule against the victors will be arrested on a variety of charges and removed. Sides will be chosen, and if you’re chosen on the wrong side you’re gone; the tolerance for the Left is over. We Americans will discover the rule of the firing squad. The forced deportations will number in the tens of millions, and may include a lot of otherwise innocent immigrants of the wrong race.

    It matters not where they go, but they can’t stay here. The labor camps will help dictate that choice.

    That is how these things play out in History.

    • Poshboy. I think that you are wrong about the military. Most of the military officers will choose the Democrats. Hence their orders will be given to the enlisted. Currently, according to the Military Times, the military is mire pro Biden than Trump. Now whether or not he said those awful things about the military dead, most military believe he said them, because he gas said similar things about military veterans before. There will be some officers who will follow Trump, just not the majority. Having spent 20 years bouncing around the globe for Uncle Sam, I will tell you I always followed the orders of the officers appointed above me. Even if I disagreed with them. I might do them slower, but I never thought about not obeying them.

      • Poshboy, you must have read some of my articles over the years about this. I always had an ‘educated’ in house analysis of who the military would support. in such events. I have some input on that which might be relevant to the analysis here as far as the actual tactical applications used in serious insurrection and guerilla urban warfare. The military is an important consideration in such events. But I have to go now but I’ll add to this discussion in a few days….

        And Jim, I did combat tours and not too long ago did Veteran counseling and .disagree with you about this blown out of proportion supposedly derogatory statement against the military.. Considering the vast amount of content–virtually all of it– about Trump that the corrupt media takes out of context, Even if Trump’s statements sounded disparaging toward Veterans he certainly couldn’t have meant it. Not for all that he did for Veterans. I’d be DOA by now if he hadn’t solidified and guaranteed the community care choice program for vets so they wouldn’t have to be put on a death row waiting list without treatment until they died, or drugged up with heavy duty pain killers without treatment until they od’d, or misdiagnosed and malpracticed upon by inferior practitioners screwing them up worse than what they were!

        Trump talks shit like environment he came frome. The tough streets of Big city Construction and real estate and big business. He’s not well trained in political talk. He’s an old school ‘disser’ and says anything he feels like saying.

        This doesn’t warrant justification for what he actually said. But I, myself, and most other combat Vets i deal with regularly don’t think he meant anything universally derogatory about Vets.

        So i doubt, according to my observations and references, that any big military opposition to his directives would be significant
        due to something he ‘said’ that most likely was fake news., or just a phraseology misinterpretation.

        The major military schisms were already there as soon as he was elected due to the pretty significant promotional changes during the Obama administration especially of higher ranking officers. Who would remain loyal to the Democrats, perhaps. He promoted a lot of minorities and made important changes.

        But i don’t exactly agree with you about not obeying the Presidents orders. against insurrection. I’ll go in more detail in another comment when i get back. As far as what the Army Times says, well I can guarantee that their ‘editorial’ policy is in tandem with free speech, LOL! There’s likely a deep state contingency left over in that department as that would be one of the first units to ‘clean up’ in a new administration.

        Lastly, as you well know, the military, while maintaining its own in-house politics that usually interfaced with civilian politics, certainly at command levels, still retains pretty tight autonomy when it comes to rank and file integrations.. That’s why they call it a ‘Chain of Command’. And they do mean command. There’s no disputing an order, no equivocating, and no collective bargaining. A direct, not to be questioned order, if disobeyed, makes you an immediate prime candidate for the brig, no reading of your rights, no interrogations, and no immediate investigation required.

        In field combat, it’s even a more serious crime to disobey an order I might elaborate on personal experiences when i come back to post another commment.. on it. So that’s why you didn’t casually say ‘I quit this job’ and head for the latest Officers’/NCO club. and always ‘obeyed’ your orders without too much question.. .

  • Dale Evidently you get your news only from main stream media that doesn’t report all the news accurately. And omits telling the truth. Trump has done much that the media does not report. Lowering drug prices is one thing. Trump is also the most law abiding president we’ve had in years. He’s bringing our soldiers home because we don’t need to involved in the worlds s kirmishes. He’s reduced the #’s of illegal’s entering our country. He’s preserving pre existing medical conditions. He’s opened up the possibility of terminally ill patients to try new drugs that may save their lives. He’s bringing back manufacturing to our country. Those are just starters.

  • To all . . . I get my news from a variety of sources, not just MSM. One thing is painfully clear to me, and it legitimizes an article I heard on the radio this morning. Thanks to the internet and social media platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, Tic Toc, Snapchat, etc., etc. everyone is getting only the news they WANT to hear and see. No one is willing to listen to the other side. That’s why America is so divided! If you only watch Fox News and then go to right-wing, white supremacist websites and chat rooms to rave about what you saw, it’s no wonder we’re so divided! The same goes for the Left. You’ve got to be willing to listen to people who disagree with you, respect their opinion, then give your opinion and have them listen to you with respect. If we can’t do that, America is doomed! When the Russian Premier, Nikita Kruschev, visited America in 1961, I believe it was, President Kennedy asked him what he thought of America after he had returned from a tour of the country. Kruschev’s answer? “We don’t have to destroy you. You’re going to destroy yourselves!” Well, here we are, people! We’re making Kruschev’s prediction come true! The Right demonizes the Left! The Left demonizes the Right! No one wants to listen to anyone with a different opinion, because they can go to Facebook or Twitter and read posts from people who think just like them! Keep it up and America is going to go down in flames! If the whites keep blaming the blacks and the hispanics and the Muslims and whoever else, and the blacks blame the whites and the rich, etc. etc., etc. then the blood is going to flow in the streets! And you want to know why? Because of the stupidity that Americans . . . ALL AMERICANS, are exhibiting! Yeah, Russia wants to destroy us! China wants to destroy us! North Korea wants to destroy us! ISIS and Al Queda wants to destroy us! But, if Americans continue to be the fuc*ing idiots that they are proving themselves to be, no one is going to have to destroy us! Kruschev will be proven right and we’re going to DESTROY OURSELVES!!! If Americans can’t come together as Americans and put our differences aside to solve our problems, then bend over, grab your ankles, pull your heads firmly between your knees, and kiss your asses goodbye!

    • Dale: Well put and stated. But we also have to be nation that returns to GOD and live by the rules GOD gave us. The notional sins of our country are many. And so too the rest of the world. And you are correct in stating that we need to at least listen to the other side. It’s the old blind men and elephant story. Surprisingly foreign news has a lot of US news that we don’t get here. My favorite so far is Sky News Australia. A friend in NZ sends me news she has found from Europe, different countries in Europe. What’s happening in our country is also happening world wide.

      It seems that people in other countries are waking up more than here. GOD bless.

    • Your clueless Dale, I gave the reference where the concepts of left and right associations came from

      • Agreed with Dale. Foreign powers are actively working to divide our country through social media, and people are too stuck in their echo-chambers where all they hear about is from people who agree with them. @Phantom30 try talking to a real democrat in person, and you’ll find out they love this country just as much as you do.

        • if they are still a “real” democrat they are still fools.. Of course we are under attack across the board. Its evil v good, not hard to see

  • You want to cherry pick the things you like from the Bible, Phantom 30, and ignore what you don’t like. Jesus teaches us to turn the other cheek, not seven times, not seventy times, but seventy times seven times. He tells us to love our neighbor as ourselves. He says that whatsoever we do unto the least of his brethren, we do unto Him, and I could go on. You’re the one who’s clueless because you want to search through the Bible to find something that agrees with your twisted ideas and then spout that off. Jesus also said, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. I’m pretty sure you don’t rate as a peacemaker.

    • You know, this was a pretty good comprehensive discussion with interesting insight from some knowledgeable comments on the potential of a ‘civil war’ after the Election…Until it wasn’t anymore.

      This always happens when you ‘mish-mash’ religion and politics. In a way, it is related only to the fact that all wars are not a good thing and organized religion was historically the cause of, but never the cure for most of humanity’s hatred and conflicts.

      Dale, A well-educated bible scholar forensic historian can take any cherry-picked verse and counter it with some other verse or bible ‘story’ This was actually the rationale behind all the various ‘editions’ of bibles, and subsequent sectarian divisions in Christianity, that followed the original bible manuscript compiled by Constantine and his devious corps of bishopric around and about 315-340 AD.

      Of course today, this ‘technique’ is well known and used by priests, ministers, and preachers in ‘Bible teachings’. They use ‘cherry-picked’ stories to support their proprietary control of the flock agendas. If anybody ever really perused the bible they’d notice that significant chapters and verses are hardly ever used or referenced. There’s a reason for this. Secular (those not paid by the Church) religious historians are hated for uncovering their original proof that much of the biblical ‘mysteries’ –as they were referred to in Catholic masses– were easily explained in truthful discovery.

      But before you and Phantom 30 get too much off the original subject of a ‘Civil War’ between the Left and Right wings of American voters and how devisely split this country has become over, peacefully allow me to disagree with your ’emphasis’ on Jesus’ point of view on ‘turning’ the other cheek’.

      Luke 22: 32-36 mentions Jesus telling his disiples to ‘gun up’ by selling their clothes, if they must, to get a couple more swords in case of trouble. Sure doesn’t sound like a mathematical multiplse of cheek turning? To save your debate, Academic scholars have determined that Jesus probably meant that you ordinarily would metaphorically maintain a temperment of non-physical response to personal attacks but not in all cases. Like you certainly wouldn’t turn the other cheek if you saw a child being abused? And God himself didn’t take ‘no shit’ when he got pissed at certain ‘egregious behavior’ as conducted in Sodom & Gomorrah by wiping out the entire town?

      And don’t forget that Jesus personally got so upset one time that he stormed the synagogue broke up the furniture and beat the shit out of the ‘sinners’ who were ‘defiling’ the teachings of God? No cheek turning there, only a combo of a whipping, whopping, and whooping that a Marine rifle squad could appreciate?

      So let’s get back to the topic subject here before we waste more valuable time. Yes, we are an ideologically divided country but it is based on intentional underlying brainwashing over the last couple of generations. Especially directed at the youth of America by Marxist oriented teachers and universities who for some unknown logic hated the country that gave them boundless opportunities and became determined to change it all to authoritarian communism by mind control of the ignorant and vulnerable. It’s too late, at this point to bother looking for a viable change. We’ve almost reached a boiling point. And it resembles the same tactics that communist revolutions deployed in other countries from Russia to Nazi Geremany or ‘coups’ like in Venezuela.

      But the issue here is can it now turn into a serious civil shooting war.? The answer in my humble-but very knowlegeable experience, is quite simply, NO.

      Poshboy is close in his analysis of the hard military reaction. But I’ll get back here again shortly to deliniate it furhter so that those who need to prepare can do so more efficiently. There’s a pretty significant difference between what people ‘imagine’ might happen, and what exactly will happen according to pre-planned government protocals in such cases of extreme civil disorder. The differences are contingent upon which side wins the election,

  • Nice apply it to Trump.

    • It seems like those who read the bible in its entirety don’t agree with what Trump says and does. Or at least question how Trump is tearing the country apart. See Trump’s own words compared to what Jesus says in the bible: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-vs-jesus-christ_n_5798e188e4b0d3568f85724a

      If the social media business model continues to divide our country, Americans will destroy themselves and our real enemies won’t have to do anything.

      • Its good v evil not Trump v Biden. Anybody voting for Biden et al are fools and manipulated by evil. Trump is building this country not tearing it apart. Biden is working for the father of LIES he is a corrupt old fool and the manipulators are even much worse. Wake up.

  • This article is incredibly valuable right now, in that it sums up so succinctly all the things that are wrong with right-vs-left survivalist theories. After a civil war, such articles will satisfy little need apart from historical curiosity.

    There well may be a civil war, and we fail to learn survival skills at our peril. At the point where our society and our democratic republic breaks down, “left” and “right” have no meaning, and we might well view with suspicion anybody who has enough spare time to continue squabbling over whether or not Hillary or Donald did this or that.

    I will consider any individual who in such dire circumstances continues to foment division and foster hatred to be a threat to our general survival, or at the very least gossips with too much time on their hands and not enough work to do. Options for dealing with such behavior will be more limited than they are today. I would like to think we would err on the side of mercy, but depending on the season, mercy might be a luxury we can’t afford.

    “The Left” is not coming to take your guns, and “The Right” is not trying to impose martial law. The people who foment these divisions are not Democrats or Repubilcans. They have no dog in our fight: they are billionaires rich enough to keep their names out of the news, and they are worried that we’re all going to start to notice that we’re working 60 hours per week yet still can’t afford to purchase a house. Read President George Washington’s farewell address, he predicted this very situation would arise as soon as political parties formed.

    When it all hits the fan, the real enemy will bugger off to Belize or wherever and we will be left behind struggling to survive. I wouldn’t give them the satisfaction of continuing to fight their made-up toy political battles, nor do I anticipate any of us will have sufficient time or energy to think about such frivolous matters.

  • Frivolous matters. Division has no meaning. Wow, let us all sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya. God is love we can all just compromise our principles so we can get along and survive. Horse manure, Bovine Excrement, head in the sand stuff. The battle is between good and evil clear and simple. If you don’t think that is natural divisiveness then close the blog and go back to watching sports programs.
    Try this is one of the founding reasons for the second amendment. ‘We the People’ constitutionally are appointed as those in authority. Romans (niv) “13:1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.” I am sorry if I am cherry picking again but it is the season for the harvest. “We the people” are the rules, under authority.
    Also God is Love. True, but He also hates evil. Think about this division at the Great White Throne Judgment. Based on your testimony recorded in the book of life, you will end up in a new heaven and earth or the lake of fire tormented forever. That is not frivolous division without meaning. We should be cognizant of three things in our deliberations: Sanctity of Life, Sanctity of Family, and Sovereignty of Nation. You don’t get these right you are unfit for public service. Replace Ginsberg now.

  • Nice. Apply that to Hitler.

  • As a retired military (USAF 80-00) disabled (90%SC)) vet and a Democrat (former Republican), I don’t think the majority on the left see the 2016 as a stolen election. We recognize that Trump got more electors. Quite a few of us also recognize that Hillary probably would have been as bad as Trump. It was a lesser of two evils election for many of us. We also see Mueller as a legitimate investigation of the Trump campaign’s interactions with the Russians. Once upon a time, any interactions with the Russians would have seemed traitorous.. So I will let that lay where it is. I truly believe that when it comes to politics, its a pendulum. Some Democrats will say that W’s time in the White House was a pendulum swing from the Clinton years. And that the Obama years was a pendulum swing from the Bush years. Consequently, the Trump years are s a pendulum swing from the Obama years. Now each side seems to go further out on each swing, I truly believe that these further right or left positions are smaller than the main body of the electorate. I think the main body’s of each wing are closer to the moderate positions. We believe in a lot of the same things, but we do have a couple of positions further out then the main body. We don’t live or breathe these positions, but they are still strongly held. Its like pro-choice or pro-life. I tend to say that I am both. As I guy I really don’t think that I can tell anyone what to do with their body. It may be the military in me as well. That recognition of personal freedom. But on the other hand, I don’t believe in abortion. Any way, what I am saying is that except for a couple of things, the majority of Americans support the same things. Its the outliers who seem to want to start a war and then we get our dander up and have to join it. So please before we get in to two opposing sides, let’s think about it first. Peace!

    • I served the Dept of Defense for over 50 years and I find it amazing how many people think democrats have anything to offer. These deep state people have violated their oath of office. This is a sovereign nation with a strong constitutional Republic form of government where “we the people” are truly in charge. I’d go on but today is election day for me so I am off to the polls to vote for Trump, me and my entire family. You want peace vote for Trump. The Liars on the other side will say anything, but they can only produce hell on earth.

      • Trump is bringing peace around the world, prosperity to America, and saving children from the pedocrats. Biden is a pedophile, and his crack smoking son appears to have molested his own niece. I guess it runs in the family. The only way the pedophile party “wins” is if they cheat. Trump brings in tens of thousands to his rallies, meanwhile Biden/Harris/Obama can’t even get more than 100 people to show up.

        • True, voted Monday, Dems had pole watches there. Reason Joe’s says He never took a dime from them is that they ran it through his family then he got his laundered cut. Clever liar.
          If you really want to read something interesting. Try the dreams of Pastor Coverstone, 20 Oct, saw Joe’s casket in state in rotundra on 19 Dec. FYI

  • For all you who think Democrats are good. Here is a cut from Epoch Times this morning: ““Lest we forget at least an over the shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins – or which is which), the very first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer.” Saul Alinsky ” Its about good v evil don’t be a fool, vote for Trump.

  • Well, this certainly didn’t age well.

  • There is one other way to possibly keep this from becoming violent, just my own idea I’ve been mulling over. The current “”conservative based states” around the nation (red states), should make a pact that each will support the other in times of crisis, ex., Western States Water Council. The red states generate the majority of raw food materials, including meat, and raw energy. These things are critical to urban and suburban dwellers. How many times have we heard that during storms or pandemics that stores in these areas would run out of food and energy (gas & diesel) within days. With the help of truckers (most conservative that I’ve known) striking, we would have a strong upper hand in getting what we want. Who is the government going to bring in to manage farms and livestock? Nobody! Farmers and ranchers also do not have to generate anything if they don’t want to, no one can force them to. The problem is that many farmers and ranchers are just getting by and for them to go an entire year without any income would be extremely difficult. I live in the rural central area of Utah where most of the jobs are in farming, ranching, trucking, and coal mining. These are all hardworking conservatives who love this nation. I can’t believe I spent 42 years in the U.S. Air Force defending the Constitution and to see it eroding away as fast as it has. Where did we all miss the signs? Anyway, I believe there are other options out thee besides violence, but I’m armed and ready if there are no other options left.

    • Where did we all miss the signs???

      I saw the signs way back in 1964, when LBJ signed welfare into law! Where the hell were you???

  • If Civil War Two comes, and it more they likely will, I will be fighting for The Right who believes in God, Capitalism, Morality, and Our Constitution which our Forefathers wrote to preserve our Union, our rights, and our freedom. The radical lefttists are for brute force communism, Godlessness, rioting, destruction, assaulting innocent older people, and cold blooded murder. It’s time we started taking our country back and put a stop to these antifa scumbags once and for all!! The radical leftistists will lose the war royally once us Patriots step up and fight against them, enough is enough!!!!!!

  • The very first line says “Many on the right consider it a bit of a joke, as there are more gun owners on the left than there are on the right.”
    Huh? You have that backwards.