The Top 6 Survival Rifles And Why You Need One

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Rifles displayed on gun shop wallWhether you are prepping for the zombie apocalypse or the aftermath of a hurricane, self-defense is an important aspect of surviving any disaster. Everyone has their preference as to what qualifies as the best survival weapon. History has proven the rifle to be the best all-purpose firearm to face a variety of combat and self-defense scenarios.

However, a rifle should only be part of what many preppers refer to as a layered defense system. It doesn’t matter if you are bugging out or sheltering, your need to arm yourself with a variety of weaponry, self-defense skills and training is the same. With that said, if you could have only one firearm in a survival situation it should be a quality rifle.

{adinserter bph}Though handguns and shotguns are also to be considered, a rifle will give you the most versatility for handling a variety of post-disaster needs from hunting to perimeter security. However, the options and varieties when it comes to choosing a survival rifle are nearly endless and even the most avid shooters and preppers struggle to choose a favorite.

Ultimately, the choice comes down to your own personal preferences and needs, as there is no such thing as the perfect survival rifle. Below we will feature a handful of rifles that are commonly considered to be among the best all-purpose firearms to have on hand when SHTF.

1. AR-15 – The AR-15, which is manufactured by dozens of individual companies and comes in a variety of styles, is one of the most widely used rifles in the world.

ar15 rifleThe semi-automatic AR-15 was designed by Armalite, who then sold the design to Colt in the early 1960s. The updated fully-automatic Colt AR-15 became the standard infantry weapon of the US Military and has since become a favorite in military, law enforcement, and civilian communities alike.

The AR’s popularity comes from its accuracy, reliability, and nearly unlimited levels of customization thanks to its modular design and two-piece receiver.  The rifle is capable of firing either 5.56x44mm or .223 caliber rounds, typically delivered from a 30-round magazine. Both Armalite and Colt still produce semi-automatic versions of the AR for civilian purchase, but other popular manufacturers include DPMS, Smith & Wesson, Remington, and Bushmaster.

One of the best start-up AR-15s for survival purposes is the DPMS Sportical, which will only set you back about $700. It’s a lightweight and ready-to-shoot carbine-style AR with a 16-inch barrel and adjustable stock capable of firing either 5.56 or .223 rounds. Like most ARs, it can be upgraded with an endless array of accessories to suit your post-disaster survival needs.

 
2. AK-47
– Like the AR-15, the AK-47 is one of the most popular rifles in the world, and easily one of the most widely recognized.

AK47 rifleThe rifle has seen action all around the globe and is praised for its ability to withstand use and abuse in nearly any terrain, conditions, or combat scenario. An AK-47 can be submerged in water or mud, go through a sandstorm, or fall off a cliff and still fire without fail.

That’s because unlike most modern-day tactical rifles, the 60-year old design of the AK employs loosely fitting moving parts that give it the ability to sustain abuse. The tradeoff is relatively mediocre accuracy, but a 30-round magazine of 7.62x39mm rounds should be more than enough to hit your target in a survival standoff. If not, the sheer intimidation of the gun’s appearance and rate of fire will be enough to send a clear message to your attacker not to mess with you.

Though AK-47 is commonly considered a “bad guy” gun, the stereotype attached to it in normal times may come as an advantage during a disaster. Basic models can be purchased for about $500, also ammo is cheap and abundant. AKs are great considerations for preppers on a budget who want to send a clear message to anyone who tries to harm them when SHTF.

3. M1 Carbine – Though it hasn’t seen active duty in combat since Vietnam, the M1 Carbine was for years considered to be one of the best combat rifles in the world.

m1 carbineDesigned as a more compact and lightweighted version of the M1 Garand, a WWII infantry staple, the M1 Carbine was an incredibly versatile rifle that had high effect and tremendous accuracy, especially at mid-range.

To that effect, the M1 Carbine still serves as a great all-purpose rifle. The standard comes with a 15-round magazine of .30-caliber rounds, which aren’t the best for taking down targets at a distance, but serve their purpose at closer ranges and in hunting scenarios.

A modern take on the M1 Carbine, the AOM130, is available from Auto Ordinance for about $800. The rifle, made in the USA at Kahr Arm’s Worcester, MA plant, weighs in at just 5.4-pounds and features an 18-inch barrel and traditional walnut stock.

Unfortunately, the original models from WWII and Korea are getting harder to come by, which is unfortunate given the fact that even the old ones are still battle-ready anytime. However, .30-caliber ammo is becoming increasingly more expensive and harder to come across giving the M1 Carbine what is probably its only disadvantage as a modern-day survival rifle.

4. Ruger 10/22 – Some preppers insist upon arming themselves with the latest and greatest tactical firearms with the most firepower. Others believe basic is better and consider the .22-caliber Long Rifle (LR) to be the best and the only rifle you need to survive any disaster. If you subscribe to the latter theory, there are few better options than the Ruger 10/22.

Ruger 10/22Like most quality .22 LRs, the Ruger 10/22 is the perfect rifle for those new to shooting and a great starter gun for children and young adult shooters. The .22-caliber rimfire ammunition doesn’t deliver any kickback or recoil, but can hit targets at 100-yards with deadly precision and ease. The carbine-style rifle comes in stock with a 10-round rotary magazine that sits flush with the stock of the gun, helping to give it a lower profile and more comfortable carry.

One of the biggest advantages of a .22-rimfire long rifle is the abundance and affordability of ammunition. This will allow you to enjoy endless days of target shooting before SHTF and the opportunity to stockpile plenty of backup rounds to have on hand when disaster strikes. Fortunately, ammo costs shouldn’t be much of a concern to begin with, as the gun itself will only set you back a couple hundred bucks. From there you can customize and accessorize your Ruger to suit your specific survival needs.

5. Marlin 1985 GS – If you want a compact rifle with big stopping power that will take down nearly any type of game in any kind of whether, look no further than the lever-action Marlin 1985 GS. Despite the appearance of a menacing big-game hunter, which is indeed, the 1985 GS only measures 37-inches overall and weighs just 7-pounds.

marlin 1895 gsAt 18.5-inches, the barrel of the gun is only slightly larger than a carbine-style rifle, but the .45.70 Gov’t issued rounds over stopping power unlike most guns of its size. Whether you’re up against a mob of angry looters, zombies, or a wild bear, the Marlin 1985 GS will have no problem mowing down anything in its path.

In addition to its sheer stopping power, the rifle classic employs a classic walnut and stainless steel design that’s both aesthetically pleasing and practical for battling against corrosion in rough weather. The rifle starts at about $650, a reasonable price to pay for a rifle that’s guaranteed to put food on the table and stop enemies in their tracks when the going gets rough.

6. Henry Arms AR-7 – The term “survival rifle” was originally designated for those guns designed to be carried in the cockpits of military aircraft when a pilot was shot down in enemy territory.

Henry arms AR7 Survival RifleThe gun needed to be compact, lightweighted, and capable of taking down both wild game and enemy combatants with reliability and accuracy. To that tune, the US military adopted the Springfield Armory M6 Scout as their rifle of choice for aircraft pilots. This collapsible gun featured two barrels that shot both .22 LR and .410 shotgun rounds giving it added versatility.

Though the Scout could still be considered a good survival rifle today, a more modern take on the survival rifle can be found in the form of the Henry Arms AR-7. The AR-7 weighs a mere 3.5-pounds and measures just 16-5-inches when broken down, making it ideal for concealed carry in a bug out bag, vehicle, or even underneath your jacket.

The rifle comes with two 8-round magazines for chambering .22 LR ammunition, which is one of the best and most readily available all-purpose survival rounds. The gun will only cost you about $280 and can serve as either your primary or backup survival rifle.

The rifles featured above by no means constitute a comprehensive list of the best all-purpose survival rifles. There is a nearly unlimited array of options to choose from, each of which have their advocates and serve various needs in the military, law enforcement, hunting, and target shooting community.

If you want to have the best chances of surviving a disaster scenario you must equip yourself with a firearm that you feel comfortable shooting at both two-legged and four-legged targets to protect and provide for yourself.

The selections above were chosen for their popularity, versatility, affordability, and ability to be handled by shooters of all levels. The choice comes down to you, but in the end the best survival rifle is the one you have with you, the one you have ammo for, and the one you’re trained to shoot effectively.

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This article has been written by Cody Griffin for Survivopedia.

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  1. AR-15? yeah, if you have money to burn. But for situations under 100 yards (and 50-75 more likely) I'll take my Saiga 12 gauge. With a 12 round mag loaded up with 00 buck, they will soon know you mean business. Next AK-under folder with 30 and 75 round mags, need longer range, NMH91 and use the same mags and ammo. Closer in, .45 Glock.......Glock 39 in .45 gap, Beretta 92. Backup: S & W 3000 folder, 10 rounds, Mossberg 500. Marlin Tube fed .22 and a Marlin "Papoose" .22 A couple of M-14-S in reserve would be nice! And maybe a Bushmaster, I think if someone had something like this, he would have most of the based covered. I'll have to ask Santa!

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    • ConnorConnor says:

      your talking about money to burn, and than list an arsenal...really?

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      • Arsenal? Webster's Definition is: A "place" for making and storing arms and military equipment. The word arsenal has nothing to do with anything that relates to an amount or quantity! So, please advise us, as to what you are implying. Thank you.

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        • Bob Roemer says:

          "The arsenal" can a place to store weapons, "an arsenal" can be the inventory within "the arsenal" ... MS Word Dictionary ... Arsenal = store, battery, cache, collection, stash, ... it's both.

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      • William halford says:

        And for the money that the AR15 costs, a person can buy 2 guns, possibly 3.

        The Papoose he listed, for instance, costs 1/3rd to 1/4th what the AR15 costs, and can easily be taken down and fit into a backpack. It's good for small to medium game for food, while being quiet enough to reduce the chances of you being found by someone who may kill you. And it's less likely to scare animals away. I have a Papoose,and it's a good gun for a great price, with storage space in the stock as well.

        And also way cheaper is the SKS. I have one as well. It's more accurate than the AK, and can be used for larger game and human threats. I have 30 round and 20 round detachable magazines for mine that are AK style but designed to fit the SKS.

        The Mossberg 500 is also relatively inexpensive, with a lot of options and aftermarket support.

        The cost of those three guns combined would be about the average cost of the AR15, and would cover pretty much every situation you would encounter, except for where a handgun would be better.

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        • Adam Hand says:

          Where are you buying those 3 guns for less than $650 (going rate for a SW M&P15 at my local shop)? Then on top of that, I can carry 300 rounds for an AR as opposed to the weight of 100 rds of your combined choices. Don't get me wrong, I'm not insulting your choices. Those are fine weapons, but in my experience (15 years as an infantryman with 3 of them in Iraq), life is easier when you only have to carry one or two different cartridges, instead of three or four. 5.56 may have its drawbacks, but it has served me well and I have absolutely no problem trusting my life to it. It has stopped enough vehicle and bad guy threats to earn my respect.

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          • William halford says:

            First off, I said "two, or POSSIBLY three". I didn't definitely say three, just that it might be possible.

            Second, I was going by what appears to be an average price I've seen for the AR in gun shops, not a lower than average price like you mentioned.

            I paid $289.99 for my Papoose at Sportsman's Warehouse, and since then have seen them for less online.

            The SKS isn't hard to find for about the same price, assuming no more bans happen like the one passed during the Clinton administration. Although it may be hard to find new ones, unlike when I bought mine in 1992, which I paid $150 for. Prices went down to as low as $80-90 after that, but then shot up after the ban was announced.

            That's two rifles for about, or maybe less than, the cost of the $650 you one you found, making what I said easy to do. And way less if the AR price is average.

            The Mossberg 500 lists at Bass Pro for $329.99, so it might can be included as well if the AR price is average. The total for all 3 I mentioned might run a little more than the average AR price, but it's still in the ballpark.

            I already have all three (plus a LOT more guns to choose from), so why would I need to buy an AR too? I'm not saying it's a bad gun, but I just don't need one. And I have a choice that can vary according to the circumstances. It really depends on the actual type of survival situation and what's needed.

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    • I agree with the Saiga 12, and while I own a M-4 and an AK, I prefer my Ruger mini 30 and mini 14. I think it is wise to get at least 2 rifles that handle the same ammo.

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      • I'm with you about having two guns that take the same ammo. It's easy to own a 22 rifle and a good 22 handgun. You can even find 357mags in both hand guns and rifles, which will handle 357, 38sp. and some even 9mm in the same gun. I'm surprised that no one mentioned the SKS as a very dependable rifle, more durable than an AK47 anyday.

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        • "It's easy to own a handgun"... unless you live in a high-density urban area in a state that hates handguns. You either need to be extremely lucky to have your permit approved, have a sitting Judge as a golfing buddy, or risk arrest by getting one illegally.
          7 times out of 10 a (insert your favorite caliber here) handgun is the perfect survival tool, but it is NOT "easy" to get!

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          • John Sanford says:

            Sir, I humbly have to disagree with you on this one. While it is good to own a hand gun, it is to be used only when your rifle or shotgun fails. A hand gun is a last resort at really close range, while your rifle and or shotgun is to keep the threat at bay. You do not want them to get close to you. even a rugger 10/22 with a 30 round magazine will lay down a good amount of suppressive fire that will give them something to think about and is also good for sniping. figure on a 100 yard range. it an inexpensive weapon and so is the ammo. You can carry 10 times the ammo that you can carry for a 5.56 nato because of weight. I am not saying that this is my opinion of the best rifle to own but cheap and dependable and better also at close range or CQB. I have a 10/22 to back up my M-4 carbine because it is light and small to carry. I also have a 12 gauge Rem.870 and several .40 cal Glock hand guns for when it becomes Katie bar the door time. LOL

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          • I live in the great free state, that believes that if you make it harder for law abiding citizens to own guns the criminals won't have any. Effective Oct.1,2013. Need for you guys to consider a handgun that will also fire your rifle ammo. Hi-Point which is all composit is made here in the U.S.A. their carbines are nice, their hand guns Personally I could care less about, but Stoeger Cougar makes a really nice 9mm
            Handgun, and if I could find one of the origional ones,would have to move out of state to buy it.

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          • Don Russell says:

            if you're at lethal risk (necessary to even point a gun at somebody) why would you care about getting busted for gun possession, hmm? If you pay attention to what it is and how you carry it, nobody else will ever know that you have one, much less ccw it.

            I've had a score of traffic tickets and warnings issued to me, sitting in the cop';s car, wearing a pistol that was a felony for me to possess in such a manner . 🙂 at that time and place.

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          • Don Russell says:

            aint no reply button on the 1022 guy's post. So I'll post it here. 🙂

            no, you CANNOT carry 10x as much ammo for the .22lr as for the 223. 55 gr 223 is 40 rds to the lb, .22lr is 135 rds to the lb. 62 gr 223 bullets, lowers the number to 35, but at best, you get 4 to 1 rds of .22lr, as compared to 223. While you either won't need many 223's or you'll be dead, and you'd better have a silencer, being without the range, power and soft body armor (and car) penetration of the 223, and the ability to shoot our GI rd, is a really, really bad idea for a shtf gun.

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          • Mike Recktenwald BSPharm, RPh says:

            So why not just carry a Springfield XDM .40 double stack (16 rounds) and two clips. Has a detachable flashlight and red dot lazer and is easy to conceal. Back it up with a 0.45 1910 Colt with a load of black tallon bullets. Just in case have you're 12 gauge ready to go with a case of shells and a Remington 16 gauge. It certainly doesn't hurt to have a .22lr browning stock feed and a ruger .22lr pistol, a colt .25 (from Korea). Then finally hide a 9 mm Rhobaugh'(?) 9mm in your pocket, just for fun. What do you think?

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        • Don Russell says:

          If I'm lugging around a longarm (possible exception of a Marlin Papoose .22lr) it's not going to be limited by using a pistol caliber. It's almost certainly going to be a shorty AR in 223, with a .22lr conversion unit and a silencer. the pistol will see very little use (or you'll die with it) when everyone else is using longarms. 🙂 So my choice is to just retain the same gun that I ccw daily, a keltec PF9. in the same front pants pocket rig, cause it's concealable, accessible, out of the way of the rifle and the pack, and protected from debris. It takes the GI rd, which shouldn't matter, but it's nice to have. 🙂 so is the .22lr conversion unit for it (from Twisted Industries).

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          • Greg Walls says:

            My Henry .357 lever action is in no way limited by the use of a pistol calibre. Add some Buffalo Bore or Leverevolution rounds and critters within 150 yards don't have a prayer. No fancy glass or dots required...

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        • Fredrick Rehders says:

          That really depends on where the SKS was manufactured. Those mfg. in Russia are far superior than those from China. I've heard mixed reviews regarding those made in other Eastern Bloc nations. The longer barrel may have something to do with the greater accuracy, than the AK-47. That is my personal experience with both models.

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      • I agree with your selection of the Ruger Mini 14 and/or Mini 30. For long range stuff I have a bolt action .308. But you're right, most action will take place under 100 yards. If I were going to use a .22 LR then I'd choose a tube fed like the Marlin model 60, 15 rounds are better than 8 or 10. I like the accuracy of Winchester 270 pump and 290 auto.

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        • We have AR 15 and mini 14 that use same ammo, two 9mm pistols and 12 gauge shotguns. That should cover anything we need, we also have hunting rifles, muzzle loader and bows. I love the mini 14.

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          • Jediric van heritic says:

            Inherited: .35 Rem Pump, (2) .30-06 Semi-Auto, (3) .30-30 Levers, .243 Win, .22 WMR, .22 LR. Bought: .257 Weatherby Mag (before .30-06s inherited). Will sell all for the A-15 as configured in image One. Sorry folks, the fun is dun, and ALL of Hell is coming - get ready - ammo, and your state of mind.

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          • I would think that most would want to have what your aggressor would use against you. Most common would be 12 gauge (prefer cut shells to 00 buck or expensive slugs). They are effective on deer 40 - 50 yards out.
            .556, .308 or 9mm would be the common man or (military) caliber of choice although an M1 Garand is a nice (deer) rifle when used with the new gas plug for commercial ammunition. Very accurate over great distances.

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      • JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR. says:

        Wise and obviously the thinking of a realist.

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      • Actually, when talking about a long range survival situation, the only time you would want to have two weapons that shoot the exact same ammunition is if they were the exact same weapon, so that if one became inoperable, you could use it for parts to keep the other weapon operating. A .22LR rifle for small game, a .30-06 rifle for large game/self-defense, both in bolt action, are the only two sensible choices for survival. Bolt action because it's more reliable and lower maintenance, especially when you are in the boonies far from a gun store (or all the gun stores have long been looted), and, "Red Dawn" fantasies aside, you are going to want to avoid tactical situations that require rapid fire and high capacity if you want to survive long in a SHTF scenario. Evasion is going to be far more valuable than assault skills and assault rifles.

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        • Jediric van heritic says:

          I think I would like to have (a bunch) of guys with the same weapon, but mostly able to use the same amm, rather than a variety - even my 'snipers'.

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        • radarphos says:

          Yah! I agree. No one will be wasting bullets shooting at something they do not know is "out there" and cannot see.

          But I got a question for readers, since I don't own a gun yet, other than a pellet rifle [RWS 56] (which may explain why my focus is more on escape and evasion). The Pathfinder Store of David Canterbury fame (http://www.selfrelianceoutfitters.com/shotgun-adaptors/?sort=pricedesc) sells shotgun adapter inserts for break-down shotguns (single shot, unless double barreled or triple barreled) allowing them to fire .22 cal, and three other calibers up to .45 cal. But I wonder about accuracy and barrel interior damage shooting bullets through shotgun barrel. Maybe it would be a non-issue in an emergency. I just don't know; but the implemented idea sounds good to me from an escape and evasion perspective. Any experts able to respond to this?

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      • Rod Robers says:

        I sure agree with your Ruger Mini-14 and Mini-30. I have a Mini-14 and a Mini-30 is on my wish list. So I have a Savage bolt-action in .308, good scope. I also like your choice of .22, more shots, much cheaper than the 10/22. Large magazines for the 10/22 have a reputation for misfeeds. And I sure don't want to have to shoot a 45-70! I've got a good used pump shotgun. My pistols are a little underpowered: a used .38 revolver and a S&W .22 auto. Both are very reliable. Have a good one.

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        • What you said about the high capacity mags for the 10/22 is correct if you are talking about the many off brand mags, the Ruger BX25 mags for the 10/22 do not have a bad reputation and box mag is always better than a tube feed because of reloading speed. You can change a box magazine way faster than you can reload a tube fed rifle.

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          • The Ruger 25 round for the 10/22 is reliable, most of the aftermarket magazines rely on copper plated projectiles (bullets) in the 22LR calibre. And the accuracy of the Ruger is simply outstanding. Get a small parts kit for the rifle and if you can obtain a suppressor do so. Quiet shooting draws less attention, and less accurate return fire.

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    • AR's can be had fairly inexpensively, and for less than a saiga 12 ga goes for. While they average the same price in today's market, if you shop carefully you can easily assemble an AR for 100 bucks less than you can get a Saiga for.

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      • Muhjesbude says:

        Obviously your actual violent combat police, or other tactical experience is quite limited, if you have any at all.

        But even this article steered you and everybody else wrong. Especially since they also considered if you could only have ONE gun and thats it? You don't see Any military infantry or Specops people carrying anything but one main personal weapon and that's usually an AR-15/M-16, and perhaps a back up pistol. But they do carry a lot of extra mags/ammo. That's because you really can shoot or carry only one weapon at a time.

        So by your analysis, Hoff, what are you going to do, when a couple 'extremely' suspicious cars come creeping down your driveway, stop periodically, and unass a couple ugly looking zombs with weapons to start to flank your house and continue driving toward your house at the same time? Say, " hey, wait, dudes, lemme get my AK, or hmmm, maybe i'll wait till they get under 50 meters so i can really knock em down with double ought, or wait once more, why don't i just get the the .308 first and head em off before they get too close, oh, pshaw, decisions, decisions!."

        While there is never anything wrong with having multiple guns, and in a military tactical situation, it is an advantage to have different equipment to suit different applications, but for all the practical purposes this won't apply to the average citizen, even in an all out state of anarchy and chaos.

        If it's a matter of money, The money spent on all those extra guns is better spent on a duplicate of your primary, more ammo and mags, and some other 'stuff', which would be much more valuable for self protection and 'helping' you in a firefight, than a rack full of guns sitting there that they'll just take anyway after they mob and kill you.

        One properly set up lightweight AR carbine with a 1/7 or 8 twist to accurately handled heavier bullets as well, and with a good tac vest of magazines would be all you needed if you had any kind of half assed decent training or skills. Period.

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        • WELL SAID!!

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        • Don Russell says:

          That M4 better have a silencer, luminous sight inserts, a scope option, a forend mount for a QD bipod, drop in trigger job and ..22lr conversion unit. I"ve heard that the 1 in 7" rifling messes up .22lr use. If so, that's a deal killer. I"ve only used 1 in 9" rifling twist with the .22lr. that worked fine.

          YOu won't have any chopper help coming, nor any buddies, so you'd better not miss, and you'd better not be slow, and you'd better not make a lot of noise. Also better not be in the open in daylight. Stick to darkness or thick cover. Or get shot. take your pick.

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          • CavScoutSniper says:

            There is no such thing as a "silencer". As for rifles, I'll stick with my .308 caliber 18" bbl Armalite AR-10 for both long & short range work. As for pistols, both 9mm and .45ACP are good to have as they are still the most carried sidearms on the planet and ammo can be picked off the dispatched scumbags if need be. Combined with a 12 gauge, and .22, I think my wife and I have it covered.

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          • Jediric van heritic says:

            Everyone seems to be forgetting the underslung 20 mm grenade launcher. Laughing? Ok, take a second to laugh, but, about 20 yrs ago on the cover of a major news magazine that a Viet Nam vet, Green Beret, showed me while saying 'this MF is ready for some serious S--T' ... was a mere Mexican Drug Cartel 'employee' - no regular military required - now, can you say ISIS. You better get serious folks - REAL serious.

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          • Mahatma Muhjesbude says:

            I think those of you who like the idea of a 'steiner .22LR insert should consider what i'm seeing now in stores like CDNN and Sportman's Guide, maybe Brownells, etc....actually for about the same price as the conversion. It's a complete AR upper in dedicated .22lr with 30 round mags that go right into the standard lower receiver. These are nice uppers and Fast switch and you can set the sights better dedicated for.22lr purpose then hoping your 5.56 upper with the .22. inserts will be accurately set.

            Also, the rate of twist for the standard Nam era was 1/14 on many barrels. on a well worn barrel rounds tended to keyhole after about a hundred meters, which didn't bother too many shooters, because accuracy wasn't that important at those ranges, just anywhere body hits. and a 5.56 round entering anywhere on a body sideways does a hell of a lot of damage that would even impress the most anally retentive 308 fanboys, lol!

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          • Mahatma Muhjesbude says:

            Go to SDtactical.com and check it out.

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        • JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR. says:

          Again, Widom spoken by a realist.

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          • To cav scout the 308 round was made to be shot out of a 22 or 24 inch barrel so to shoot it out of a 18 incch barreled AR10 is drasticly lowering the power of the 308 round there for defeating the purpose of having the larger caliber rifle. If you are going to do that you would be better off with the AR15 because the ammo is way cheaper for the AR.

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      • Don Russell says:

        you can assemble a nice AR15 for $600, still. Ciener firearms offers a .22lr conversion for it (30 rd box mag) for $200, too. That unit weighs just 3/4 lb, accuracy is 2" at 50 yds or better. The caliber swap takes just 20 seconds. Some of them need a bit of smithign to work in a given AR. Big deal. $50. The .22 unit save you 30c per shot, vs 223 ammo cost, so a mere 200 rds of practice pays for the smithing IF you have problems with it.

        the .22 unit is welcome at indoor ranges, 223's, AK's, and 12 ga usually are not. big calibers are wasted on livestock, dogs, and cats, and that's mainly what you'll be shooting, if shtf. (if you know wtf you are doing)

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        • Jediric van heritic says:

          Most people have no clue that 1 billion people is 1,000 cities of 1 million people each, and at the end of the Baby Boom there was only 3 billion people on earth, 1960-ish, now there is 7 .3 billion - and nearly all of the new ones are Muslims and other 'Blacks'. Point is, them livestock and wild game such as deer and elk will be gone in a matter of weeks, so unless you are heading to Yukon Territories, or farther out than that, don't plan for shooting and eating animals.

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          • Mahatma Muhjesbude says:

            Jederic! Glad to see that some are finally getting off the mythology Jeremiah Johnson fantasy and waking up to reality. Not to mention the high risk of waking around in the wilderness from two legged predatdors who will shoot you first, and then steal what you have.

            Spend you time better by planning to grow/raise your own food. Plenty of good articles on exactly that on this website.

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    • Specific correction. Alec, you play into the ant-gunners hands when you refer to tha AR-15 as the fully automatic rifle used in Viet Nam. That was the sister rifle, M-16. The AR-15 is semi-automatic. Only the gov't can afford the endless ammo for a full auto rifle.

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      • Herbert says:

        First, the USAF got the first AR-15's which WERE select-fire. They were meant as a replacement for the aging M-1 or M-2 .30 cal. carbine. They had a cyclic rate of fire over 1200 rpm and, I believe, a 1:12 twist. The idea was to have a very wobbly bullet that would tumble inside the body of your target and cause a more grievous wound.

        Next, for those who are considering an AK type weapon, I would seriously say chose the SKS instead. Not only does it have a milled or forged receiver, vs the AK stamped receiver, but it is probably 3 times as accurate as any AK. It shoots the same, cheap, 7.62x39mm ammo. There are conversion kits to make the SKS accept the 30 rd AK mag, or, if you can find one, the SKS-56 comes with a mag well for the 30 rd AK mag.

        Lastly, I have a Ruger 10-22 that I bought in 1969. (for $49.50) It has digested over 50,000 rounds without a misfire from its stock 10 rd mags. The only malfunction it ever had was from a 50 rd drum mag. The curved 25 and 50 rd mags all worked fine.

        My memory is aging, (I'm 71) but I still remember these distinctions.

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        • Don Russell says:

          not correct. the original rate of fire was 750 rpm, and the messed up Winchester powder jacked that up to 900 rpm, but nowhere NEAR 1200 rpm. That's 20 shots per second, which is utterly uncontrolable with a lightweight 223. When the 223 M16 was being considered for adoption by the military, there was no consideration given to the bullet "wobbling" or tumbling. The issues were giving everyone a full auto option, with a gun, ammo and mags that were light in weight compared to 308, and having more range/penetration than the 30 carbine had to offer.

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          • Jediric van heritic says:

            Don't buy an AK-47 - by the time you need one, either you will be dead or there will be hundreds lying around ... theirs.

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      • Actually, AR-15 was the original designer's (Armalite, which AR is short for) model number for the weapon, M-16 was the government's official designation for the AR-15 when they adopted it. This is similar to Douglas's DC-3 being adopted as the C-47 by the USAAF. Colt later trademarked "AR-15" for its semi-auto only versions for the civilian market, but using AR-15 and M-16 interchangably for the military weapons isn't necessarily wrong.

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    • Don russell says:

      the shotgun is too noisy, short ranged, no flashhider for night firing. The ammo is fragile, heavy, bulky. You have to seal shell at the center of the crimp, or it will draw moisture.

      Get an AR15, .22lr conversion unit from Ciener Firearms, and a silencer. the latter takes Federal approval, 20 states have state laws against them, but they are a priceless aid, if shtf. You can buy the AR a piece at a time, if need be. A stripped lower receiver is just $150. In fact, you can buy an 80% finished lower thru the mail, finish the machining on it and get the rest of the parts by mail and nobody will know that you have it. It's perfectly legal, no serial number or license is required, but I'd make up a number and stamp it onto the gun, just in case somebody gets curious.

      Pay the next day delivery premium. UPS and Fed ex want a signature, but don't ask for ID, pick a name and an address and BE THERE when the truck shows up. Personally, I would not use the same place for the lower and the rest of the parts. 🙂

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    • Don Russell says:

      how to CARRY all those guns, and enough ammo to make them worth having wit you, along with a pack full of survival gear, food, water, etc, hmm? How to KNOW when you can get away with just having a shotgun, pellet gun, xbow, bolt action, (or similarly worthless in combat sort of arm)? Why bother with more than one pistol? they are horribly limited. I say that as a world class IPSC competitor and long time hunter with handguns. Get a Keltec PF9 and a Twisted industries .22 conversion unit for it, and call it good as far as handguns go.

      whatever you pick, it better have a .22lr option and a silencer. there's lots, lots more livestock, dogs, and cats than moose, elk and bears, folks. 22 handles the former just fine, can handle wild hogs, people, and deer, too, given a knowledgable shooter. But without the silencer, subsonic ammo and rapidfire, long distance rifle, with .22lr capability and a pocket pistol, you will be lost.

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    • Don Russell says:

      45-70's a joke. short ranged, huge shell, even if loaded down, it's a horrible waste on small game, slow to reload, low mag capacity, a silencer blocks the sights, not a GI rd, no luminous sights, no dark, rustproof finish, all sorts of problems with it. Even for stopping bear charges, I'd take a 308 auto, Like the Remington, for the cheap milsurp practice ammo. It take brain hits to stop charges (reliably) and that requires lots of practice. the 308 easily has 2x the effective range of the 45-70, and you can get a (single shot) adapter for the 308, to take 32 ACP pistol ammo. That .32 insert is a pita, but it's not NEARLY as big a pita as reloading "squib" loads for the 45-70.

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      • Sorry, buddy, but the .45-70 Govt. cartridge is no joke. The cartridge was originally designed as a man-stopper by the U.S. Army (Hence the Govt. designation.) at medium range (100-200 yards). Its current purpose is to stop a large carnivore (like a bear or large cat) or a dangerous herbivore (like a moose of a bison) at similar ranges. Each of these animals can kill you in short order. I carried a Marlin stainless steel (protective finish) in .45-70 Govt. for several years on the trail to my Alaska mining camp. I also carried a Ruger Redhawk in .454 Casull for those times when I had to answer the call of nature and put the lever-action up against a tree. I put my hat on the ground, placed the revolver on the hat, and completed my business without risking being surprised by a grizzly bear with nothing but TP at hand. Speaking of lever-action - it is at least as fast (if not faster) to chamber a second round as any bolt action rifle. There truly is no one-size-fits-all firearm or cartridge. While my Marlin .45-70 Govt. would not be my #1 SHTF firearm, it does have a valued place in my arms room.

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        • Yes but his point still stands that there are so many better modern rounds which are lighter and with better ballistics than the .45-70 that it is a joke as a survival round.

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    • How quaint, I'm on a budget but I'll list an arsenal. Reality break. In a survival situation, you need something to respond to a threat and defend your home. Beyond that, you need food, water, shelter, etc. A firearm is a tool...not a dick extender.

      You don't need an arsenal and simple is best. Any pistol / rifle combo is good. A 10/22 with a .22 pistol or revolver is good. A basic 12 gauge pump shotgun is very good. A .357 revolver with a .357 lever action is good. An AR carbine with .22 conversion barrel is excellent. Any of the above will be fine. As for the Saiga 12...fun at the range but if someone is bashing in my door, I don't want to mess with a magazine, hope a round chambers, and hope the thing doesn't have a FTF or FTE.

      I'll take a Mossy or Maverick or 870 any day over a Saiga and I own or have owned all of the above. New toys are always fun initially but after awhile you look at them more like gardening tools than toys. Then you realize that some of ones you thought were so cool aren't useful (Magnum Research that you shot twice, left in the safe for 5 years and sold for a profit) and some of the most useful ones (S&W Model 19, Glock 19) aren't that cool but always seem to be in the range bag and are the first things you'd reach for in an HD situation.

      So I guess I'm just saying, if you can only afford a Maverick 12 gauge, or a 10/22, or an old 38 Smith or Ruger...awesome. Any of the above will get the job done as well as anything tacticool in 99.9% of situations.

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    • Why would I want that glock junk? In reality get good weapons . Sig/Hk for example

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      • Adam Hand says:

        Because you can get 2 Glock 19s for the price of 1 HK or Sig in most cases. There is a reason most police and other security providers around the world issue and carry them.

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    • Carrying that many guns and ammo for all would be a feat that most would not be able to perform. Also, would not leave much room for other ness. Get one firearm that can do a variety of jobs to reduce weight. I have several firearms in a variety of calibers, but if I had to bug out I would probably carry one rifle and one pistol for wt. I have an AR-15 in 9mm and would consider it but would probability opt for my .308 or 30-06 with my .357/9mm SA revolver and one of my .22 cal. packable rifles.

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  2. Interesting topic. Everyone will have different ideas. I think it all boils down to what type of survival situation and where. War? Lost in the wilderness? Self-defense or getting food? Or both? I have owned an AR-7 and not all .22 ammo works in them. Their own instructions limit use to high velocity ammo. The 10/22 is a bit better as mine so far digests all .22 I have used. But the drawback with both the 10/22 and the AR-7 is the type of action - semi-auto - which has more moving parts than a bolt or break-action gun. So for me it is a bolt action .22.

    Missing in this list is a shotgun. I know the ammo is factor. But if it is war or survival you use what you have. If you prepare, you will be better off. For pure survival, lost in the woods, a combo gun like the old Savage 24 series works well.

    I would give the AK a slight edge over the AR. When the SHTF, you want dependability in all sorts of environments. Plus, most gun fights in a SHTF scenario are going to be short range affairs.

    Now I have a Marlin .30-30 and lots of ammo for it. It's accurate, dependable, good for big game, and the .30-30 was used in a lot of Mexican revolutions at the turn of the 20th century. It's not as sexy as an AR but it gives the AK round a run for its money.

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    • Muhjesbude says:

      Sorry Dan, Your information on AR's is way, way, out of date. It's right there in the never ending mythology of the .45 v. 9mm debate.

      All operators these days carry compact AR platforms. NOT AK's that should say enough. And that's because of one main reason. It's excellent reliability.

      But just in case anybody is really weapons ignorant, The 'jamming' myth started in Nam when the ammo powder under certain circumstances fouled badly. And contrary to Marine Corps propaganda movies, nobody really had time to keep their weapons clean all the time during monsoon or red dust storms in a real combat zone. The main cause of shut down jamming was something else, however. The cyclic rate for the early AR's in combat was way too high and sustained fire by feeding mag after mag for several minutes on full auto without 'bursting' eventually overheated and softened the aluminum on the upper receiver where the barrel goes in and it warped enough to jam a round.

      All of these problems were fixed pretty fast but it was too late to head off 'urban legend' at the pass. But that doesn't change the reality.

      The AK's on the other hand, compared to the AR, were heavier, less accurate, and just as subject to jamming from dirt also, despite other mythology to the contrary.

      But there was one dirty little disadvantage that virtually no one understands unless, like a few of us, you fired both AR's and AK's in hot CQB combat.

      The 'shorty' CAR-15 i wound up carrying most of the time in the jungles for general purposes, never jammed and one time when exchanging lead with a nice young fellow in black pajamas, we both needed to switch mags at the same time and he ducked behind some bambo shrubs and my drop and switch was so fast that i barely moved it from point of aim off my cheek but while i was then trying to get a bead on him, is spotted him kneeling down, desperately preoccupied with trying to unjam a mag that went in badly and got stuck hard.

      The last the that went through his mind at about 40 yards when he looked up and saw me me was a 5.56 full metal jacket bullet. A shot i wouldn't have tried with an AK. I'll never forget the pissed off look he had on his face.

      Today, you can actually put together an AR-15 Carbine that will unquestionably be the most reliable semi auto self defense weapon you can buy. Period.

      You put in a piston action to replace the gas impingement system. A special coated bolt carrier that requires no lube at all even though all AR's were designed to fire dry, in case nobody new that, And last but not least, a specialized new bolt from the company that makes the old Sharps Rifles, that actually makes it almost impossible to jam a round! Change to the latest newest guaranteed feed magazines, and you'll get really tired of shooting or break the bank on ammo costs before you'll ever see a jam! But you now have something to really bet your life on!

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      • Kukriking says:

        Muhjesbude...could you be more specific on the brand name,model,etc. on the "coated" bolt carrier. I got the gas piston..now.I'm looking for a Relia-Bolt by Sharps (your suggested bolt) and would like to complete the assembly with the COATED carrier that you recommend (please point me in the right direction).
        I will always love my AKs, ( Izabella and Elizabeta have sent thousands of rounds down range with no problems), but Matilda (my lovely AR) could use a new BCG and it looks like your suggestions are the best for a reliable "jam-free" life.
        If only marriage could be the same way...
        Thanking you in advance ,
        Johnny

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        • Mujesbude says:

          Yeah, kukriking, I'll look up the carrier company for you, there's a couple of them. I'll do that now, and re post as soon as i find it. You google 'AR-15 upper receiver parts for sale" I think it's nickel-Boron coating or something. Hard Chrome plating is just as good in myhumbopinion, but might be more pricey. There are a couple good bolt companies out there. You want to make sure you have a good strong extractor/spring also, with the outside polished
          as well.

          Believe it or not there's even a bolt i saw somewhere with NO GAS rings supposedly to preclude fouling or pressure problems. Well, might be nice for a spare part, but rings, and the alignment of them are really not that issue sensitive. You can actually fire the weapon without them in an emergency. And unless one somehow breaks off inside and jams the action, routine maintenance and/or replacement will cancel out all potential problems.
          I always have a couple AK's. They're actually collectors items now. The Norinco Underfolder i got many years ago brand new for less than $200. I could probably sell now for five times that to someone who collects AKS. For a while I carried one in combat just because at that time there were only 20 round mags for our AR's. But AK's were just too heavy with the mags, and thats why VC usually only carried two extra mags. Also liked the 9mm Swedish K's we sometimes go our hands on. But when we got the 30 rounders for our shorty AR's, that trumped everything. Unlike an AK, which has a very poor mag insertion 'angle of attack' and release, prone to jam-ins in high speed high stress application. And you gotta kind of look at what you're doing, which is bad in any action, You can switch mags very fast with an AR-15, just like those competitive pistoleros do with their race guns. I can actually keep right up with comp gun shooters with my AR carbine in mag switching and lay down way more suppressive firepower on them, they can ever do on me with a pistol.

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        • Mujesbude says:

          Okay, Johnny, go to 'outdoorgearbarn.com' Then find the 'FailZero bolt carrier EXO coated. and it'll be the one that needs no lube. Obviously it's back ordered so unless you can find it somewhere else you'll have to leave them your email to be notified. There's also a new firing pin which looks good that i'm going to order as well. Called a Voodoo pin.

          I mention this because a lot of wannabe snipers think that it's mandatory to have a titanium firing pin for 30 bucks. Having been a military trained and police sniper all my misspent life, some 'experts' 'perceive' that this lightness creates a faster 'strike' on the cartridge for something called 'lock time' to give you a more 'speed of thought' shot the instant the crosshairs stop moving around and are right on.

          While this makes some sense, the negligable noticeable difference is not there without the entire tweaked trigger system in companionship. lighter 'speed' hammer, etc. By itself it is meaningless, and in fact, a possible disadvantage you pay more for in that titanium isn't as 'strong' in terms of wear as a high quality conditioned STEEL machined firing pin. They don't last as long. So I've always been interested in better firing pins.
          The best firing pin would be one that is virtually indestructible.

          The idea is to have no weak link in the action system.

          The parts DO start to wear after a couple thousand rounds. Barrels, especially chrome lined, are good for mayby 5k rounds of not rapid firing before accuracy begins to go (a whole 'nother topic i might cover later if someone really wants to know the truth and asks me'

          Firing pin wear at the tip will obviously cause failures to prime with some hard military primers. And wobbly firing pins might cause primer ruptures.

          The often overlooked wear parts are the buffer spring. Most agree they start to lose 'tension' at over a thousand rounds. I just replace them at that point but i'm sure they now have some kind of super buffer spring available also. But i don't know anybody in my platoon that didn't fire many thousands of rounds, mostly on full auto, and never changed springs. Any 'failure' to lock completely due to dirt or 'whatever was quickly 'remedied by an instinctive slap on the foreward assist, and then back to the trigger. If for some reason we didn't like the weapon we were using anymore, we simply replaced the whole thing.

          And the roller cam. should be hardened or chromed. They also have nice firing pin detents to replace the cotter pin, if that bugs you.

          One last thing about 'reliability' and not needing lube. Even though you technically don't 'need' to slather the shit out her anymore if you tricked your grabgirl out to max ability. It doesn't hurt to put a very light coat of some super slippery stuff they have now over at least the inside of the upper receiver, and the barrel throat/chamber, and of course the barrel rifling. And the buffer spring, and in the magwell. And a drop on the trigger sears.

          Sort of like lipstick on a handsome women. But you don't want to slather it like vaseline in a butt party. They gave us something like white lithium grease called LSA lube that i think was part of the early jam problems. It never made the action that smooth, but it sure had a lot of insects and dirt sticking to it if you left the ejection cover open!

          And that should be it! Make sure your mags have no tilt followers and springs not compressed for years with a full 30 rounds in them. i know there are better mag springs these days that are supposed to last longer, and about all you'll ever have to worry about is bad ammo?

          OBTW, the Cheaper Than Dirt website has an extensive selection of bcgs and everything else. Hope that covers it but if you have any further q's don't hesitate. I forgot more about this stuff than most so-called 'experts' these days know. So i don't mind passing it on before my anti 'forgetfulness springs' start to wear out, as well, lol!

          Guns, these days, are right up their with politics and religion in terms of misrepresentations and bullshit.

          "It's not that people don't know so much, its just that so much of what people 'know', just aint so!" -Mark Twain.

          I do agree with you that like dogs, AR's, are truly one of man's best friend.

          And 'reliability' and trust are truly possibly the most important integrations in life with respect to relationships. What more important dynamics exist between people than 'can you trust them to be reliable?

          As far as 'marriage'...well, i won't cop to 'no comment' Once was enough for me. And i don't know why i even did that one? I agree, it is really hard to 'unjam' a jammed relationship. sometimes all you can do is salvage a few working parts and possible re-build?

          I console myself in this area of research when waxing philosophical, like this:

          Women are like beer, guns, and dogs. There's no such thing as bad ones, but some are definitely 'better' than others!

          Take care, my friend.

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          • Kukriking says:

            WOW, I'm overwhelmed and very grateful. I asked for a point in the right direction and I'm blown away by an incredibly detailed description and explanation of what I need to get and where to get it and all kinds of other golden nuggets of info. You even distinguished between the type of pin a sniper would want (titanium) and what I might use ( hardened steel). So complete and thorough... My cup runneth over. Nobody has ever replied to me with that much information. I feel truly blessed. Thank you so much. Of all the commenters I've read, yours are the most real, convincing , and undoubtedly credible. How secure I would feel in a survival situation with you as our leader! I mean it, man. God bless you and thanks again.
            Johnny
            ILMAO half the time too(women=beer/guns/dogs...) GREAT letter

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  3. Duane Hughes says:

    Have you looked at the Keltec Sub2000 in 9mm and 40 cal?!!

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    • Sweet weapon, and -- to my mind at least -- an ideal survival arm! While the .22 is better suited for small game taking, the 9mm Luger is reassuringly able to deal with larger game, and with those who might be inclined to divest you of same (and whatever else they might fancy!). I will not part with either my AR-7 or my SUB2000!

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  4. Bob Roemer says:

    My personal and home defense arsenal and survival preparations consists of:
    1) Delton DT Sport AR-15 w/EOTech Hybrid II and 3x magnifier; 2) Mossberg SA-20 w/Holographic Sight, 150 Lumens Light and red dot laser sight; 3) Ruger 10/22 w/Tactical Micro Compact Mini Open Reflex Red Dot Sight; 4) Remington 700BDL 30-06 w/Pentax® 5 X 3-15 x 50 mm Rifle Scope; 5) Sears/Ted Williams Model 200 20 gauge w/variable choke and vent rib; 6) Glock 20C 10mm w/crimson trace laser sight; and, lastly ... 7) Taurus PT111 Pro Millennium 9mm. In addition, I've over 6700 rounds with miscellaneous tactical accessories.

    The AR-15 and SA-20 are new in 2013, as are my Glock and Taurus handguns ... My 700BDL 30-06, Model 200 20 gauge and Ruger 10/22 are from the early '70s.

    Needless to say, these will prove more than adequate for defensive purposes and will also provide means to put fresh meat on the table whenever the SHTF ... this is to supplement my 9-12mo of emergency food w/15-20yr shelf life. Also have 2 x 330 gallon water storage units - in garage and piped to ground level utility area.

    IMO, this combination of equipment and provisions is only "adequate" for 1 year... beyond that length of time I'm not sure any amount of prepping would suffice ...

    God Bless America and We the People

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    • May keep in mind Big Brother is now recording all e-mails

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      • Good point. I even hesitate to list my guns with my insurance company. Confiscation of all weapons is the ultimate goal of the present administration & Democrat controlled Senate. Keep that in mind as you list your firearms on the internet, for all the world to see.

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        • Bob Roemer says:

          Reflecting also our previous posts, I am a Patriot ... don't have combat experience ... have never been shot at ... but, should America require my role, at any moment, to be a warrior, I'll do my duty, I'll neither back down nor yield my post ... I may not be a seasoned, weathered or even well skilled warrior, but you'll not find a more willing Patriot to do what is required ... any role, any sacrifice, any time ... I have prepared as best I know and am able ... my survival must be in home defense, as I'm not fit for wilderness survival ... in a past time, maybe, and one I still envision of younger legs, but that is no more.

          I will not survive and accept that role ... for I know that where I fall, others will follow to fill the gap ... others, more capable, with more following them ... America cannot live without loss or sacrifice ... I have been blessed to have known America in a better time ... I wish to share this with my grandchildren, and beyond them, to theirs ... my greatest wish is that it does not have to be so, but I fear the worst has been cast upon us.

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          • Bless you Bob! I'll be there with you. My legs won't do it anymore either, neither will my lungs, but my heart will. We'll do a good job as rear guard. Take care my friend.

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          • bill in lexington says:

            I doubt if I will survive, either. I just hope to take an honor guard with me when I go.

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          • bill in lexington says:

            I doubt if I will survive, either. I just hope to take an honor guard with me when I go.

            I just want to make the ground I am standing on as expensive as I can -- because a free man stood on it.

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          • Duane Hughes says:

            To the gentleman who commented he had never been in combat and eventhough he wouldn't expect to suvive, but would stand his post anyway, let me say this. After the U.S. suspended the draft, some years went by and I then realized we had an all volenteer military force that had never been shot at. That left me with concern. But with great pride I point to our military men abd women and say, "Look at what we have; still the greatest fighting force in the world, and at onr time they had never seen combat."

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        • Muhjesbude says:

          Insurance companies and banks are kin of the government.

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          • Edwardo says:

            ALL:

            Reminds me of the old 1980s song that was sung by Mike and the Mechanics, 'Sient Running', seems as if the words are so spot-on prophecy.

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      • Bob Roemer says:

        Thank you ... knew that, but acted imprudently ... a little wiser now

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    • I certainly hope you don't have to bug out when the SHTF, because you will have a hell of a time getting all of those weapons, ammo, food and water in a rucksack. If you have the luxury to be able to hunker down at home with all those goodies, I hope you have some very good friends and family to help you use all those multiple calibers to protect the food and water. You might want to rethink your prepping plan.

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      • Edwardo says:

        As in the days of our ancestors the caveman, survival was more often than not dependent upon a lone individual (except in dire emergencies). but to the small dedicated family, group and clan. We live by a sheer string of chance to being placed into very dire, life threating situations by the act of either nature or human folly. Funny it is to hear people talk of how independent and fearless they are with all the modern convencies of modern society, yet take it away and we have nothing but our wits and courage and too few people possess this as per the perlious situation into which society has landed itself on presently due to the poor actions of weak lambs led by timid lions.

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  5. Michael ballinger says:

    Just thought that I would point out an important fact. If the SHTF, then you will need the ability to conceal your rifle...especially if Martial Law is instituted. Due to length, this leaves out some of my favorite rifles that you have listed here. One of the easiest rifles to conceal since it will fit into a backpack is the relatively new Ruger takedown version of their 10/22. Assembly takes two seconds and accuracy and reliability trump the Henry AR-7 for the additional pound.

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    • Good point, Michael!

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    • Not another "martial law" ignorant post. People wake up and READ the Tenth Amendment! The ONLY place the DC Despot can Declare Martial law is in DC! Martial law is the SOLE purview of the STATE, NOT the Federal Government! ONLY A Governor can declare Martial law within their state AND NOBODY ELSE! It is imperative that you start studying the US Constitution and LEARN the FACTS, and STOP Spreading this disinformation. Remember the LIE that a Soros owned company in Spain was going to count the presidential votes? Well the votes are counted municipally, confirmed by county and compiled by state and that is it no more counts, but people BELIEVED the disinformation and stayed home and didnt vote, thus with the voter fraud, it allowed Obama to win term # two. STOP Spreading the lies!

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      • j.mcdonald knives says:

        Hate to say it but in this world with the current president, it doesn't matter where you live, martial law can still be enacted by the president. Our current president wants to do away with the entire Constitution.

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        • Anyone who thinks we can relax under the protection of the Constitution had better wake up. This President is capable of anything. The socialist style takeover of our capitalist system is well underway. It remains to be seen what tactics Obama will be willing to use to finish the job. Some form of martial law is a real possibility.

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          • Oh come off it. POTUS is an extremely limited position which can and is overruled by Congress. As for "socialist", socialism: Social ownership of the means of production. McDonald's is owned by shareholders, McDonald's is socially owned. That's socialism.

            You seem to be referring to Obama's attempt at some sort of national public health insurance initiative but public healthcare isn't socialist, that's just good healthcare. You don't seem to be big on education but just for the heck of it look up the cholera pandemics.

            You've surely heard of them, Polk died in the second one. Well over in England they tend to take potential extinction pretty seriously. If the peasants don't get paid enough then they live in poor housing and have poor diets leaving them with weakened immune systems. If they can't afford to see a doctor and get treated then any outbreak is going to "gain a foothold" in the same way that Marines gained a foothold in Afghanistan.

            Combine this all with lax regulation on essential services and water companies piped water from the same place sewage was dumped. Cue massive pandemics killing hundreds of thousands of people and Britain introduces minimum wages, pensions, public housing, housing, sewage, water, and sanitation regulation, as well as the NHS.

            Because as much as you hate poor people, it's not worth dying over.

            The fight between public v private healthcare isn't socialist v capitalist, it's medicine/science vs ideology/religion. If you believe that sickness is a punishment from god then private healthcare makes sense. If you believe that just maybe people can get sick "just 'cause" then public healthcare is a damn good idea.

            And you know as well as everyone else that if Obama declared a national state of emergency and tried to use that to take guns (and he doesn't seem that smart OR that stupid), then more than a few state governors would strongly disagree with that. That's a state's right and the federal government would need a damn good reason to declare a national state of emergency in the first place, and using it to seize guns would be...

            Well I'd say it's impossible. There's no way that can be rationalised and Americans like their guns more than they like their overlords.

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          • PeteMoss says:

            How did we get away from the survival long gun subject?
            Lemme clear it up for you: leftist/socialist/Marxist/libtard=bad.
            Freedom-loving constitutional conservative=good. If your wanna debate, take it over to Alex Jones.
            We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

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        • Muhjesbude says:

          I think we all should be aware of the 'true' reality of 'Martial Law'.
          Martial law is a 'fluid' concept. While Scott is presumably correct in that the Constitutional protocol suggests that the state only has the 'legal' authority from declaring martial law, it does not preclude other 'authority' from taking the initiative in their own power base.

          Last year's episode with demonstrators in Seatle, i believe, with the 99%-ers? Where the Mayor declared martial law and even had the police confiscate ANYthing that could be used as a weapon. And don't forget the infamous Mayor Daley of Chicago in the '68 riots where he also declared martial law with shoot to kill orders of unarmed 'looters' and anyone out passed curfew. The state of course then sent state police, and national guard to assist.

          Essentially, we have martial law anytime a state of emergency is declared in an area like after a disaster or storm and police have to come in for security.

          Now, if we had the government declare a complete 'National' state of emergency, despite what the states do or don't want to do, what do you think that means?

          Once the POTUS declares a National state of emergency perhaps from some perceived imminent or now happening terrorist action, then what do you think that is?

          Why do you think Mr. Obama recently signed a new improved version of the National Defense Resources Preparedness 'executive order'. In case something like a major pandemic of the SARS virus or Ebola got started here? Or maybe even extreme civil disorder and anarchy due to political opposing factions--like in Ukraine?

          Why do you think the DHS was founded and supplied with all those tactical carbines and huge amounts of ammo?

          Does anybody really believe that the POTUS can't establish the equivalent of 'Martial Law' virtually any time he feels like it if he was desperate enough to do it? Like Hutch says above. This current regime is 'capable' of anything bad. And he and Eric certainly don't let anything as archaic as the 'Constitution' stand in their way.

          Just look at their 'record' of 'honesty in liberty and justice for all? Any regime that uses the IRS to suppress the freedoms of the people will not hesitate to 'have' martial law anytime it suits their purpose. Tenth Amendment, or no Tenth Amendment.
          They certainly don't care about the 2nd Amendment.

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        • IF, it were to come to pass, 'martial law', I hope that our military being honorable men sworn to uphold the constitution, realize that the current president is not qualified to lead a flock of sheep across the street, no less claiming to be the commander in chief, would discount his actions as treason and nip Americas problem at the bud. Now back to the original subject, my bug-out gun is a Savage model 24 in .22 magnum over 20 gauge that I have had for over 40 years. It's rock solid dependable and handles a wide variety of ammo. I've taken doves to turkeys, squirrels, rabbits, deer, a feral dog. All one shot kills. Not my first choice for 'clearing the porch', but the one I would carry if forced to leave.

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          • JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR. says:

            I too HAD the M24 Savage 20ga./.22 Mag. acquired in the late 1960s and the rifle produced excellent groups. Hunted with it many times. Made the mistake of loaning it. Gone . . . and it no longer available from Savage.

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      • As if the Federal Government respects States rights...Please.

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      • Edwardo says:

        I seem to remember back in the 1960s that LBJ declared Martial Law in a few US cities and that Federal troops were brought in to restore order (not merely National Guard).

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    • Pardon me for my thoughts, but why does any one want to carry a 10\22 rifle when you could carry a much smaller .22 pistol (long barrel). It could, in certain situations, out reach some one with a shotgun and keep them at a distance. It could put meat in the pot. Several hundred rounds could be stuffed in a coat pocket. I wouldn't suggest that be the only gun but the portability of a pistol beats a rifle any day. One additional comment on the authors choice of rifles. A m-1 carbine? Really? wouldn't a mini -14 work better. Try scrounging rounds for a obsolete military rifle while your on the move. The m-1 carbine isn't even substitute standard anymore. O.K., so much for my old I corps comments. GOD BLESS EVERYONE! Chris

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      • JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR. says:

        Agree!

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      • Edwardo says:

        Correct , that is your statement regarding the 5.56/.223 round being far superior to the .30 Carbine round, which has a rainbow trajectory. The Carbine should have incorporated either the .276 round originally proposed for the M1 Garand main battle rifle or a cut down 30.06 cartridge ala the MP 43/44 German Assault rifle, still the .30 Carbine was much better than the heavy TSMG .45 acp firearms in terms of range lethality, agility and lightness.

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      • Yup, I love M-1 Carbines to death for their storied history from WWII to Vietnam, and I am the first to defend them from the bad rap they get from misinformed hearsay and plain tall tales that get repeated about them, but here we aren't talking about taking a rifle for its heritage or good looks, we are talking about a tool for survival, and must put aside all other considerations. If you're needing to move, one, maybe two weapons is all you are going to be able to carry, given the other gear you'll need. The criteria for choosing a weapon would be:

        1. Weight/portability of the weapon itself - ie, you want something compact and light enough to be able to move quickly with, though this does not automatically mean handgun, as that would sacrifice too much range and accuracy.
        2. Weight/portability of the ammunition - you're going to want to be able to carry a lot of ammunition, which means it's going to need to be as small as possible while packing a big enough punch for your purposes. Honestly, the smallest you're really going to want to go is .22 Magnum or .17 HMR, and largest you'll want to go is 5.56 NATO.
        3. Ease of availability of the ammunition
        4. Versatility of ammunition - Red Dawn fantasies aside, killing people is not going to be your primary use for your firearm. While .22LR is about the least ideal self defense cartridge one could choose, in a desperate situation, you could defend yourself with it. So if you can defend yourself with .22LR, you can defend yourself even better with an even better round like .22 Magnum or .22 Hornet if you have to, but if you want to live longer, you'll want to avoid people, not engage in combat against them. On the other hand, "manstopper" rounds are going to be of limited use against your mainstay food quarry - rabbits, squirrels, birds, etc. Sorry, but fantasies of living off deer and elk are just that, fantasies. With everything else you are going to have to do to stay alive, you're not going to have time to track large animals (especially you guys who are used to shooting at deer attracted to deer corn bait), and the big game like that is going to be the first food source to be depleted in a big SHTF situation. So keep your cartridges small enough that they don't waste the meat on small game.
        5. Durability/Maintainability of weapon - you don't want a weapon with pistons or gas ports fouling or the weapon jamming after months or years living in the woods nowhere near a gunsmith or spare parts. Semi-auto should be ruled out. Lever and slide action are good, bolt action is better. Single shot break action is the most bomb-proof, but bolt action is a good compromise. Again, get these Red Dawn fantasies out of your head, you're not going to need modern combat rate of fire to defend yourself, and if you get in a situation where you would need that, you're probably dead anyway. Instead of thinking you are going to rely on a semiauto that could jam in the heat of things anyway after months in the woods, learn to fire a mad minute with a bolt action rifle, like British soldiers did with their SMLEs in the early 20th Century. Highly skilled British marksmen could take that 10 round weapon and put 36 round in a 46 inch target at 300 rounds in under a minute. Think about it.

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        • Charlie Smith says:

          I agree with Mark, I looked at this sight because I was thinking of a new survival gun. I had no intention of shooting people.
          And the author is wrong, history does not prove that the rifle is the best survival gun. Look at what aboriginal people use and used as soon as they got guns. - small gauge shotguns, muzzle loader trade guns at first and in modern times, break action single shots. Versatility, durability, simplicity! The 20 gauge trade muskets often found in the beds of the French River to this day are usually loaded with "Swan shot" - (just bigger than BB), good for everything from moose (don't ask how I know!) to partridge without reloading.

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    • Muhjesbude says:

      It takes less time to break down your AR carbine from the upper and lower and put the two halves in your backpack for about the same size? And that new Ruger take down is pretty pricey for its limited application. But it's still a decent choice.

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    • TRY THE SUB 2000 9MM KEL TECH WITH 32 RD MAG

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    • Ron Hall says:

      Gentlemen, may I offer a little suggestion that might help on the length of the Henry rifles, as well as others! Go to your local builders supply, in this state we have Lowes, go to the plumbing supply section, and around to where they have located the underground PVC piping. Note that it comes in different sizes, two, four and six inch size. In lengths up to 10-12 feet! The six inch pipe might be used to help solve your problem. Note in that same section,
      they also carry various devices for the ends of their piping, from a sealable
      closed cap, to waterproof devices to open up to clean out the its contents! Tip: use straight clean out devices, some things do not bend. Mountainous
      property are good places for planning drainage. But then, that is for you to figure the best placement for these things. No! I am not a plumber! However, I am a thinker! While you are at the store, try to determine whether or not you will need extra footage, for other reasons. Try it and tell me if you like it? Any questions? God bless all of the old veterans, of which I am one, a draftee from the old Korean Police Action! 84 now, 22 then! Sixty two years ago. Also not a battle veteran, but should the SHTF arrive at some future date, and it is quite possible, I will do my share to back our younger generation in any capacity in which I might be wisely utilized! I was then a trained combat medic and have been using computers for many years!

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  6. Mine. Includes the AR, a 1911 Series 70 Colt, a 30-30 Marlin, and a 12 ya pump shotgun (Remington). I have enough ammo to last long enough for me to add to the food supply or to obtaining a few other weapons. A 30.06 caliber rifle is capable to take care of small vehicle if needed. KNO3 and some other similar chemicals can be mixed to make adequate protection for perimeters if needed. Good idea on digging in water supplies but underground springs are even better. We have a few of those in Texas and in Mo. Fresh water is a must! Caves in Ozarks offer much of everything and wild berries and roots to exist on. Meat can be obtained almost anyplace at night. Much of it tastes like chicken but salt helps everything as well as Tabasco ! Food poisoning doesn't like Tabasco so it is a must for survival. A large knife, zippo, and. Gross of Bic lighters. Old Cotton sheets work for lots of needs including filtering. The problem with survival is it depends upon the situation which caused it, length of time, and mobility requirements. I can live a long time at home but if the SHTF who knows. Each day is a blessing and adjusting will determine if tommorrow is possible. If not, I will take as many of the jerks with me as I can!

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  7. Richard Odefey says:

    There are many firearms that are excellent survival tools. My lever action, totally reliable Marlin 336C in .30-30 Winchester is good out to 150 yards. Most important.... know how to use your weapon without mishap, and shoot it regularly. A $3.500 SOCOM AR fully tricked out is no good if you don't know how to use it, or shoot a loved one accidentally. Practice... practice.... practice!

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  8. Noticeably missing from any list is Ruger's Mini-14, Tactical. I have the newer model 5831, with the aluminum Pic/Weaver top rail/hand guard. It is sweet and shoots flawlessly.

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  9. Please do a study on fire-woods. What trees to plant for fire woods, construction, blocking winds, concealment -hiding structure, etc. What trees are suitable to grow in which areas of the US and climate. Water wise trees - water guzzling trees, fast growing, slow growing, etc.

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  10. GUNS GUNS GUNS. All you survivalists think about is GUNS. I have a superior mind. That is the greatest weapon against the greed, the gluttony, the selfishness and the in-the-box thinking of the modern prepper. lol

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    • Bob Roemer says:

      You can debate all you want with a bear ... but he'll likely not care much ... same with the DHS or FEMA ... I'll tell you that WE also have superior minds and that's why we'll be prepared and you won't ... good luck, it's all you've got in your favor.

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      • AMEN! And you can not debate venison into the stew pot either. Firearms serve two purposes, protection and food procurement. While you do not go out actively hunting as it wastes calories, you do not blow off an opportunity to take game for the table, and despite what any vegetarian will try to tell you, meat has the highest level of usable protein per ounce of any food source. And Protein is the name of the game when it comes to survival food sources. it is the ONLY thing that can replace carbs AND fats in a diet during harsh weather condition when these items are needed most, and is also the building block for the immune system and is needed to repair any injuries and to burn stored body fat in cold weather as well... But lets go deeper int o the human psyche, when people are against the wall and dont have what they think are the necessary supplies on hand they turn feral and even the most civilized individuals will turn barbaric. And the difference between a barbarian and a civilized man is the type of weapon they carry, like it or not

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        • Actually, not quite true. A hen's egg is the best, most usable animal protein source. Start growing a few chickens!

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          • what do you do when they come and eat your chickens..

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          • Mujesbude says:

            Some good valid points Scott has, but a bit outdated for today's survival needs. First of all, in a bad survival scenario, You won't be doing many 700 meter shots at game with your .270 bolt action unless you were someplace so high up in the remote mountains where you also wouldn't be 'hunted' by other two legged predators, who when they heard the shot, would come and take both your game, if you were a trained enough skilled sniper to even it it at that distance on a windy day, and take your 270 after they took your life.

            For you wannabe Jeramiah Johnsons, here's the breaking news. The second use of guns WON"T be for hunting. If you do happen to be lucky enough to game resources in your hide out area even after hoards of zombies suck them dry literally in weeks, you'd be trapping them or cross bow-ing them.

            In an enduring catastropic survival situation, you had BETTER have your own food stock or self reliant resource. Chickens/eggs are, indeed, one of the easiest and best sources of sustainable food. You gotta be careful having a rooster, however, they might give away your location.

            But a handful of hens will provide all the eggs you need and they are easy to manage and feed, most eat bugs and/or any plate leftovers. fifty bucks of scratch corn could be stretched to feed four laying chickens for a year.

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        • JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR. says:

          AMEN!

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        • Actually, pound per pound, insects, larvae, grubs, etc have more protein than meat. Guess what guys, if you want to survive a bad situation, be it the zombie apocalypse, a plane crash landing in the wilderness, or getting lost while hiking, learn to find and eat insects.

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    • Bill in lexington says:

      If you actually had a superior mind, you'd arm yourself against the day you encounter an armed inferior one.

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      • Bob Roemer says:

        Your haughty appearance of superiority reveals only petty arrogance ... evidently, you can conceive only one concept at a time and decry any others as barbarian and/or Neanderthal ... get this straight - There are many with capacity to do both ... an unlikely concept for you to grasp.

        As I replied earlier ... "good luck" to you, as it's all you have to hope for.

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        • I LOVE A GOOD PEEING CONTEST. SEEMS WE HAVE A GOOD ONE GOING HERE. I'M DISAPPOINTED YOU CHOSE NOT TO PUBLISH MY POLITICALLY INCORRECT RESPONSE TO THE "BIG BROTHER WARNING".

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          • As you seem intelligently challenged, you'll not fare well against this Patriot ... I'll gladly match my wit against yours, but feel regret that all you can offer is half-wit. If there were more you could offer, it might even be challenging and entertaining.

            Beyond words, you don't have even a slight chance ... so, once again, good luck ...

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          • Mr. Roemer,
            I didn't know I was stirring up a personal confrontation. I have read over your previous submissions. Granted...they are well worded, but devoid of substance. What are your qualifications to criticize the opinions of some previous writers and myself?
            In a nutshell, my qualifications are as follows: Retired Marine Major with 20 yrs service. Viet
            Nam vet with personal decorations including Silver Star & Purple Heart. I know the meaning of SURVIVAL,. & I'd like to know what you bring to the table..other than arrogant BS.

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          • Bob Roemer says:

            I also am retired ... USNR(Line) Lieutenant 1984 ... private sector in 2112 ... I'm moved by the manner you responded, regardless the message ... and respect you for it ... my responses are defensive in nature, although offensively delivered, as I felt an attack and ridicule from yours ... I'd rather enjoy this discussion better over a beer, a shot and a cigar ... though it is unlikely to happen. I'd enjoy it ... cheers

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          • I agree...lets call off the war of words & have a beer.

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          • Bob Roemer says:

            I'm in a small Wisconsin town ... about 70 miles north of Milwaukee ... you close?

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          • I'm living on a small farm in Southern Virginia. Not close. Too bad...I would have enjoyed letting you buy this old Marine a beer.

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          • Bob Roemer says:

            It seems I mistakenly offended you and apologize ... I didn't realize your post wasn't from Lexington Bill. Your post was taken (by me) out of context and my response was as if it was made by Lexington-Bill ...

            My background is Marine Engineering, graduating in 1972 with degree and Commission as USN-Ensign ... accept my respect and appreciation for your service.

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          • Bob Roemer says:

            BTW, what was BS about my reply to AliKahn?

            I thought it was a clear, relevant and valid message. I will respect and appreciate your feedback ... thanks

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          • Bob Roemer says:

            My uncle, US Marine Colonel Herb Ing, was with Marine Training at Camp Lejeune in the '60-'70s.

            Ever have connection during your time in service?

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          • Bob Roemer says:

            I believe he resided in Quantico, VA and our families visited once or twice ... didn't know him well, though.

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          • Bob Roemer says:

            As I recall, he was Commandant of Corp Training ...

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          • Sorry; don't recall ever meeting a Col Ing.

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        • Bob Roemer says:

          ... a beer, and a shot ... will you smoke (no inhale ok) a cigar?

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          • I started smoking in a foxhole during a mortar attack in '67 & didn't quit for 20 years. I imagine I could smoke a cigar with you.

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          • CometHunter says:

            I'll join as well, providing you've nothing against pipe tobacco (trying to quit cigarettes)!

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          • Bob Roemer says:

            Made the decision to quit "cigarettes", as well ... building a cigars inventory and awaiting delivery of a humidor ... IMO, more cost effective than cigarettes with wider selection of shapes, flavors and sizes ... might find less inhaling of cigars which (still unhealthy) may be less harmful ... the wisdom time imparts to elders.

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      • bill in lexington says:

        Ah man ... 15 ups! You guys made my day!

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    • Yuo ar an IDIOT ! ! ! !

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  11. This list seems to be written by someone who has limited firearm knowledge...Although all of these rifles would stand up to an apocalypse scenario...a .22 caliber requires a degree of skill to take down medium-game such as a deer, and would be all but useless against large game such as a bear or a moose. I, personally would want more stopping power...especially for self defense (I have actually been shot twice with a .22 caliber rifle and I can tell you from personal experience that it does not have the stopping power required to defend oneself...if you don't believe me, ask Ronald Regan.) Recommending either an AR or an AK can be a double edge sword. If you are familiar with the mechanics of the AR, go for it. Military surplus is widely available, but FMJ rounds are less than ideal for hunting or for long range shots. Due to the complicated nature of the action, those who are not acquainted with this rifle will have one hell of a time trying to disassemble and reassemble for cleaning and maintenance. The AK would have similar problems as the AR, and will have far less luck in the "fear by recognition" field as the author would lead you to believe. Your ideal gun depends all on your situation. As a semi-experienced hunter and long time gun enthusiast, my options would be larger than that of someone who has limited exposure. The main things you want to look at for a decent survival gun are:
    1) Availability of Ammunition-The most advanced gun is just a fancy hand club without bullets
    2) Reliability- All the ammo in the world is dead weight if your weapon goes *click* instead of *bang* (and than you have that fancy club again)
    3) Comfort- Every big bad gun guy seems to want the .50 Cal or the gun that takes the most rounds. But you have to be able to fire your weapon repeatedly and consistently. Find what fits your size, build and shape. Ive fired some of the biggest rifles out there...and the .50 Cal BMG is the worst survival gun in existence.
    4) Stopping Power- The larger the caliber doesn't necessarily mean more stopping power. The .357 mag can crack an engine block, but has limited range. Same for anything in the .40 cal family. Do your homework before you invest hundreds of dollars on your rifle. My personal hunting rifle is a .270 with a 130 grain round. The gun can easily shoot 700 yards with enough energy to kill medium game; swap that out for a 180 grain round and I can kill a moose at a klik. But its limited due to the action, which happens to be a bolt action.

    The most important factor is understanding your weapon. A blackpowder rifle is more dangerous in the hands of an expert than the most advanced tech. in the hands of a liberal...just kidding, i meant amateur.

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    • The list IS accurate, it has nothing to do with "firearms knowledge" it is about the most popular survival RIFLES, nothing more, nor nothing less. I've been 'collecting' firearms since the seventies, and have an extensive personal armory, including every rifle listed. They all have their niche. But to declare lack of firearms knowledge? I'd have to say it is you that is lacking, not the author. Every firearm listed was specifically listed for precise reasons. While I would not choose some of them, I would highly recommend others. I'm 54, working on 55, and I was born into this lifestyle. I've had to bug out due to natural and man made disasters, my professional ventures have paralleled the lifestyle, so I'd say I am one of the few people that is uniquely qualified to judge this. I find no fault in the choices, even though I would make others based on the fact that I have better weapons available to choose from

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    • The list IS accurate, it has nothing to do with "firearms knowledge" it is about the most popular survival RIFLES, nothing more, nor nothing less. I've been 'collecting' firearms since the seventies, and have an extensive personal armory, including every rifle listed. They all have their niche. But to declare lack of firearms knowledge? I'd have to say it is you that is lacking, not the author. Every firearm listed was specifically listed for precise reasons. While I would not choose some of them, I would highly recommend others. I'm 54, working on 55, and I was born into this lifestyle. I've had to bug out due to natural and man made disasters, my professional ventures have paralleled the lifestyle, so I'd say I am one of the few people that is uniquely qualified to judge this. I find no fault in the choices, even though I would make others based on the fact that I have better weapons available to choose from . As for the maintenance of the weapons listed, if you do not know how to field strip and clean and oil them, you should not be using them. It is THAT simple

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  12. james brill says:

    not. did you make ammo considerations for half of these choices?

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  13. Michael Mendola says:

    Don't forget about the M-14. Although a bit heavy, very accurate, durable and good stopping power !

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  14. to Ali Khan, as regarding your "superior mind", it is written:
    Proverbs_16:18 Pride goeth before destruction,
    and an haughty spirit before a fall.

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  15. Tom Nation says:

    Old adage:
    never argue with a fool in public. It confuses the public which is which.

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  16. I enjoy reading all the comments. It gives me a feel for what is good and what is best for me. Cost is definitely a consideration and I don't think guns have to be exotic. Their are a lot of good hunting rifles out there which can double for self defense. I try to stay with common, affordable weapons, rifles and pistols. I believe I have a decent blend of each. I always think that if you have to many guns, and a lot of ammo, you have to deal with being able to transport, find ammo, and if need be conceal. Conclusion: Their are no magical answers.

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  17. I'm curious am I the only one that thinks that since the federal government has kicked the can on paying our debt and haven't came up with a solution to reduce our debt and if we lose or when we lose our standing as world currency if the government can no longer print money. How are 47.3 million people living on social services going to feed their families. I assume they'll be two types of people one will come looking for food with open hands asking for help the other will be in trucks loaed wjth guns ready go take what that want!

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    • But, I hope that day never comes!!

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      • Bob Roemer says:

        IMO, it's coming ... perhaps sooner than you might think ... it won't be forewarned or announced, nor will a government response be discussed, negotiated or kind to American citizens ... even a minor financial disturbance may be hyped and spun as a major crisis ... and, once the trigger is pulled, the full effect of Martial Law with mobilization of DHS and FEMA will be unleashed ... the coming 2014 elections may be backing Obama-tiger into a corner ... Question is ... will he "pull the trigger"?

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  18. Many great comments and ideas. But, as a Combat Veteran, the best weapon in a firefight is the one you have on you at the time; even if it is a Kabar and an entrenching tool. Buy the weapons you can afford and PRACTICE with them! All the guns in the world will not help you if you aren't familiar with how accurate it is, what is the trigger pull like?, how rapidly can you reload it?, what about repair parts?, availability of ammo? Mold your weapons carefully and SET your mind in SURVIVAL mode. We Veterans took an oath to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC and we have never foresworn that oath; we WILL prevail! Thomas Jefferson said: "From time to time the Tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants". If I die defending my Country and Liberty; then so be it. I will have been true to my oath

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  19. headhunter says:

    Mostly good rifle comments. Thanks to one and all who served. A good rifle choice depends on terrain and population , and other factors. No one speaks of bullet choices. I can say a premium game bullet in many calibers will punch through a 1/4 inch steel plate at a 100 yds. with plenty of energy left over. I'm old enough to remember the 2nd Chance body armor commercials were body armor protected the wearer from .357 hits that knocked the recipient out (apparently your heart doesn't like no blood scenarios and lungs don't work well when the air is forcibly removed quickly). You had best be prepared with all the knowledge you can glean. (How long is a vehicle viable for transportation if you punch out the battery?)

    Handguns are not as effective , but do you think you're going to sit on your butt while everything transpires or will you have 28 hours of work to do in a day? Will you get your work done one handed ('cause your rifle is in the other)? This may seem silly but re-read the "Little House " series of books. Those people worked sunrise to sunset and took Sunday off to go to church and build "community".

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    • bill in lexington says:

      And they set their rifles nearby because a pistol is a limited use luxury. It's a good idea to own one if you can use it well, and a bad idea to rely on it if you can't.

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  20. I have designed my survival arms around the tactical envirnoment that I live in, which is large homes in the suburbs. As such, 9mm Walther p-38 pistol, MP-40 Schmeisser (9mm) semi auto submachine gun, Thompson sub machine gun(semi auto), AR-15 semi auto shotgun (made in turkey), AR-15 9mm, AR-15 .22lr. I can't be shooting through other peoples houses a couple of blocks away so I have to scale it down. I think this configuration will work for me and my two teenage sons. (One Mauser 8MM rifle in reserve). Thoughts?

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    • BrooklynResident says:

      I like your thinking. A Remington .44 "Buffalo" revolver might be a good option to add, if you consider my earlier post. Big, slow bullet (still hard to outrun), ammunition that is not hard to get--buy a mold and run your own. There are plenty of black powder recipes, and even the caps can be made in a post crisis world, although stocking up is a better idea--they don't take up a lot of space...

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  21. For simplicity and reliability a good bolt action hi caliber rifle such as the Remington 700, Winchester model 70, or Ruger model 77 are hard to beat when you are going for range and accuracy. My Ruger 77 in 308 is stainless steal barrel and auction with a rubberized stock, it will not rust, is easy to clean and is extreamly reliable.

    For back woods survivial I would pass on the M7, where the semi auto action may become unreliable. Instead I would choose a Rossi single shot break action with changeable barrels.. These come in either a 22/410 configuration or a 243/20 gage. It breaks down into 4 pieces (5 counting the other barrel) and all fits in a convienent carry case. It can fit into a bug out bag or be slung over the shoulder by itself. I like the single shot because it forces you to take better and careful aim where a semi auto may lead to over confidence and wasted shots.

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  22. BrooklynResident says:

    Don't forget ammo availability.

    How quickly will you empty that 50-round magazine?

    Keep a black powder piece, powder and caps handy. Better--a flintlock, also. That way, when everything else is used up, you'd still have a few shots left.

    Before you'd have to switch to rocks, bows and arrows...

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  23. infantry Architect says:

    These are interesting replies to the authors posting, and too bad for the arguing.
    My reply comes from being a former Infantry soldier and later Officer in the US Army, '83-95 and a casual hunter since about age 11.
    So for survival we stand on the crossroads of hunting and defense. We also have gone though periods of ammunition scarcity, and/or inflated prices.
    Also for survival/prepper, there are many categories of other expenses in life to consider.
    the cost of a good rifle can exceed $1k, which is equal to a "year supply" of prepackages canned good for one person. So the expense for most of us needs to be balanced. I have over-spent in this category because a perceive a threat to the 2nd amendment, so I am guilty of misallocation. the funds could have bought a great improvement to our water/well system. So lets say you are starting out in firearm purchases and you are a regular family guy, with a wife and at least one child. ( if you are experienced in this category, you may not need my advice, or have developed your own opinions and arsenal already) I'm going to agree with a .22 purchase. its a great training platform and anyone over about 8-11 years old can be trained to use it. It takes small game, and could be a "deterrant" to a home invasion (note! I am not saying its a fight stopper). The Ruger 10-22 is the industry standard, but I personally like the peep sights on the "Appleseed Project" Marlin .22, or you could add these "techsights" to a Ruger 10-22. This is actually important. it will introduce the new shooter to military style sights, and they are much more accurate than the V blade type. so some sort of .22 with nice sights for an extra $40. The article was about rifles, so they did not mention shotguns, but they are a good item to have. Women and children have a tough time with 12 gauge recoil, so some may like the 20 gauge as an alternative which I cannot argue with except for the universal availability of 12ga, but Walmart has both 12 and 20. For my house I kept with the 12, but down loaded one with the "low recoil" type buckshot. its not great ammo outdoors, but within the home defense perimeter, my wife could handle it if I was unable to respond. There are many acceptable shotguns available. One option for the survivalist is to purchase a "combo" which comes with both a long and short barrel, my first shotgun, on an extreme budget was exactly this. at the bottom price end of this category is the "Maverick" brand, which is a fully reliable and functional downgrade to the mossberg 500, but the Remington 870 "express" was my first purchase. The mossberg gets a nod for its ambidextrous safety for lefties, and it was actually used by the military in a upgrade called the 590A1. important to note, bird shot is not for home defense. At close range bird shot inflicts nasty superficial wounds, but is documented as found guilty of not able to penetrate into critical tissue to stop a person if they are highly intent on assaulting you. if concerned about over penetration #4 buckshot is the compromise indoor loading. See box of truth website for actual result against drywall etc. The shotgun is a very formidable defense tool but has great limitations. in my training I learned how quickly and dangerous it is to shoot oneself out of ammunition with a 5 to 8 round shotgun. the tube is slow to reload, but lots of training improves this, the shotgun's range is limited to 30 yards with pellets, +/-100 with slugs, the ammunition is very heavy compared to rifle and pistol rounds. But its still my first line of home defense during a mostly peaceful world, as i expect not more than a small group of home invaders as worse case, and there is another weapon of higher capacity for my wife to grab in an emergency. if you have a limitless budget for a shotgun see the Benelli M-4. next tier might be the mossberg 930spx or 590A1 (but many other competitors at this level so please don't be offended, I am a lefty so the ambi safety is a must)
    Moving back to rifles, once again there are other things to spend money on. Not the least of which is ammo. there are three main cartridges in the affordable ammo segment (after .22)these are 5.56 NATO, 7.62x39 Chi Com, and 7.62x51 NATO. (close runner ups include Russian 7.62x54, 8mm mauser, 30-06 and maybe 30 30, 7.62x25 tokarev, 30 carbine with Tokarev being the cheapest, but only a couple "ppsh" type carbines even exist to the USA consumer.)
    So please allow me to focus on the first 3,
    The 7.62 Nato is the most powerful of the three, is chambered for main battle rifles like the M14(M1a) and PRT-91 (HK91) Fn FAL/L1a1. Fn Scar, These are Heavy big rifles, which I like, but its the most expensive (of these 3) to shoot. The 7.62 Nato will take most north American game, with the possible exception of moose, but proper hunting ammo is necessary. nearly all these rifles are $1000 and up, and ammo is 60 cent each, or worse, $18 per 20.
    The 5.56 is the AR15/M16/M4 cartridge, and has become the most popular rifle type in America. if you were trained on it you know what it is. For the rest, its a very high velocity .224 bullet, with little recoil. in hunting circles its considered a varmit gun and not allowed in most states for hunting big game. But a woman or child can shoot this as recoil is mild. in our home there is a firearm which my wife prefers for this reason. Now we are at am ammunition price of 40 cents each in bulk or $10 by the box of 20.
    Lastly is the 7.62x39 Russian or Chi com. This is the AK 47 bullet. Also SKS, and some others. This is in between 5.56 and 7.62Nato. slower than either, and bullet weight in between both. It is the least expensive ammunition of these 3 at $6 per 20 or a case of 1000 for $259. The round is capable of taking deer, hogs, small bear, and other game. The recoil is a little above the 5.56 so its manageable to nearly all adults, but most 7.62x39 firearms are heavier than an AR15.
    Training and supply are so important to immediate and long term effectiveness, that I now recommend this 7.62x39 round to all people with a budget and just starting out. While I really like 7.62 NATO and appreciate the fast handling 5.56 AR15, but realize the novice needs to buy a rifle, and train with it for 1000 rounds and store 1000 rounds. so for 7.62 Nato this is $1200 in ammo plus a $1000 rifle (Ptr 91 for example, but rifle costs goes up to $1500 and $2k for nice M1A or FAL or SCAR. ($2,200-$3k or more)
    For 5.56, the AR15s at walmart start at $700, plus $1000 for the 2,000 rounds is $1700, plus magazines, usually the sights are fine, but some folks like red dots and such, add $250 for a Burris Fastfire III
    Conversely a new AK47 or its cousin the Saiga can be found at or below $499 full retail,
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Rifles/BI.aspx?Keywords=ak-47&BuyNowOnly=1&Sort=4&Tab=2
    and 2000 rounds is $550, so you have a defense and hunting rifle with ammo for $1100. tech sights are a must have upgrade for $80
    http://www.tech-sights.com/ak.htm
    and magazines are $12 each, so all in $1300+/- you can add the Burris Fastfire and train with an additional 1000 rounds and still be less money in than a similar set up AR15 with 2k rounds BUT with the AR you need a separate hunting rifle.( example: add $500 for a 30-30 or Savage .308 bolt action plus an entry level scope, and you might as well have bought the PTR, unless too small for the 7.62 Nato)
    Its taken along time to get to this conclusion, and I changed my hard set preference for 7.62 NATO after our family had a baby, we bought a house, and other expenses became real, and seeing my petite wife, while able to take 7.62 NATO recoil, cannot carry the heavy rifle and ammo for an extended time.
    So there are other things to spend money on than guns. the AK is not the best, but the best bang for the buck. ( almost ditto for the SKS, but magazine issue to be noted)

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  24. Just an old timer checking in I know there are lots of new more modern guns for protecting your butt. But I will stick with the Garand of mine I have had since WWII in 30-06 with its antiquated 8 round clips and old slab sides 1911 Colt 45

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    • JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR. says:

      Another old timer (like me) who shares our always wise 'back to basics' mindset. Good Man.

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  25. Is that Ali Khan for real? It's got to be just some bored guy trying to push buttons...a troller, eh? Poor guy. Pitiful. Anyway, God bless all you other guys...very interesting comments. I do think a shotgun is usually considered smoothbore and therefore not a rifle. Maybe that's why it didn't make the list.

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  26. Excellent article. Whatever you choose, get trained and practice with it. Bells, whistles and fancy accessories on your AR (or whatever) may look "cool", but if you're not proficient, they are not worth much. Liked your mention of the lever gun, a fine powerful survival weapon. Personally, I like the ammo versatility thing, where I can use .357 magnum ammo in revolvers and lever guns, which will give you (with 'hot loads') enough knockdown power to hunt game or take out bad guys.

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  27. Warren Hulbert says:

    Just like Mr Heston said......"when you pry it from my cold dead hands" Prepare yourself Amerika

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  28. if I remember right, it was ben franklin that said,"prepare for the worst, and hope for the best." as a combat veteran of everything from my first dance in Somalia to a tour apiece in Iraq and Afghanistan as an infantryman, I can say that is a rule to live by in unfriendly situations. another rule would be a layered defense based on your current financial situation. at a minimum a handgun carried at all times and a decent powered rifle within arms reach. rules for hunting weapon are going to be the same as they always have been. powerful enough to kill the target, but not so powerfull that said target explodes leaving nothing left to eat. ie, a 22. won't kill a deer and a squirrel will explode if you shoot it with a 45-70. another thing to think about with all the high tech ELECTRONIC stuff, not usually a lot of electricity around in shtf scenarios for battery recharging. not to mention emp, if that happens. I personally am putting tritium night sights on all my weapons I can find them for. would also recommend spare flip-up sights for any weapons that have them as well as spare sliding buttstocks.(they tend to crack if you have to butt stroke someone). just a few ideas.

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    • Mujesbude says:

      Capt. T. Nothing is as it seems with this situation and/or with the regime controlling it. They're not worried about the debt ceiling and spending or the economy because they have a different plan that my 'day job' allowed me to realize.

      Everything will be changing much sooner than anyone would believe. The ability to print money by being the world's reserve currency will no longer matter because 'currency' as we knew it, won't matter in the new 'World Government' schema.

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  29. AK-47 it is very good weapon.

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  30. I enjoyed it all! As someone who has been a reloader and designed my own calibers since the 60's and the gas lines, I add only do not be like the guy who went to a gunfight with a knife and you have a chance of survival, provided you practice and take care of your weapons!

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  31. JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR. says:

    Having grown up in Dad's shop back in the 1940s and 1950s where he built custom stocked hunting rifles and did general gunsmithing . . . and when I cast bullets and loaded handgun cartridges primarily for the Bill Jordan recommended S&W Mod. 19 .357 Combat Magnum, that in anticipation of joining the USBrorder Patrol after collete graduation . . . but for my .22-250 & .338 Winchester & .358 Norma Mag. rifle cartridges as well . . . and thus having begun shooting at the old age of 5 yrs. with the trusty Daisy "Red Ryder' BB Gun , MY 'TAKE' ON THE SUBJECT; FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH IS AS FOLLOWS: As always - IN A CRISIS SITUATION THAT WE ANTICIPATE TO SURELY BE COMING, Caliber and thus availability of cartridges are a major factor as well as choosing a rifle for survival. The .223 current military caliber cartridge in the Ruger Ranch Rifle is a good choice; scoped it will 'do the job' intended. Next a rifle in .22 rimfire (.22 long rifle ctg.) is almost a 'have to have' along with a handgun in that caliber as well. Finally the rifle featured in this article, the Marlin Lever Action in .45/70 caliber is an excellent choice provided you have accumulated a sufficient quantity of cts. for it and have cast bullet moulding equipment for the almost unlimited supply of auto tire wheel weights, power, primers and all necessary loading tools. The Marlin in 444 caliber is nice as well, it allowing handloading with the .429 dia. cast Keith or Thompson 240-250 gr. bullets that are for your .44 Special and .44 Magnum revolvers. This will cover the situation fairly well. As as our gunfighter friend, Bill Jordon, is said to have observed, "IF YOU CAN SHOOT (straight) . . . . the implication being that you should then have access to whatever your adversary has in the way of arms, ammunition, supplies, equipment, vehicle, etc.

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  32. Don Russell says:

    It's very silly to even think of survival-guns without mentioning the need for a silencer, luminous sight inserts, a rust-resistant, dark finish, concealability (at least when taken down) the ability to use GI ammo, AND .22lr. A Ciener .22lr unit (30 rd box mag) for the AR 15 is $200, weighs just 3/4 lb, and the caliber-swap takes just 20 seconds. The accuracy is 2" groups or better at 50 yds, plenty good enough for foraging or fighting.

    You can easily build an AR16 for $600. Noise will kill you, if shtf. it will call in enemies from 2 miles around, and if all you have is a shotgun, you'll be helpless against them. Prefering the shotgun is the mark of the inept/ignorant. A good "can" on a 223 makes full power, 60 gr Nosler Partition softpoint loads sound like a regular .22lr rifle,and it makes the 60 gr Aquila subsonic .22 rd sound like a BB gun. No joke.

    The 11.5" barreled AR is concealable in a pack in 5 seconds (push out 2 retained pins) and reassembled to fire in 10 seconds. with the good softpoint ammo, the shorty AR hits just as hard as a 4" barreled .44 mag revolver 223 or 9mm ammo is 40 rds to the lb, 12 ga ammo is 10 rds to the lb , .22lr is 135 rds to the lb. 308 is 18 rds to the lb. .30 AK or .45 ammo is 22 rds to the lb.

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  33. Don Russell says:

    the shorty 223 AR will snipe effectively to 1/4 mile, given a scope, trigger job, forend mounted bipod, and 69 gr match bthp ammo. It is every bit as effective on game as the 30-30 ever was, as long as you use the deep penetrating Partition softpoints. Get a 1 in 9" rifling twist-rate, by the way.

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  34. Don Russell says:

    The shotgun is a bad joke, due to the short range, heavy, bulky ammo, no repeating .22 conversion, fragile ammo, lack of a flashhider/silencer, you can't carry 2 longarms and a backpack in a hostile environment. So you have to choose, and if you leave out the rifle, the shotgun will soon belong to your killer.

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  35. Don Russell says:

    U will be way ahead with a silenced Marlin Papoose than any noisy gun, especially centerfire bolt actions or shotguns. But it's silly to limit yourself to JUST a .22 or JUST a centerfire, when a .22 conversion from Ciener Firearms gives you the option of BOTH, for $200, with a 30 shot box mag, 20 second parts swap, and for 3/4 lb of weight difference.

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  36. Don Russell says:

    the idea, guys, is to kill hundreds of the enemy, and not be hurt yourself. Have a bit of sense about your gear and tactics, and that can be done. Don't wait until they are coming for YOUR gun, when you hear that they are seizing guns from anybody, put the silencer on your takedown rifle, and go hunt THEM first. Nothing will point a finger at you. Beware cameras everywhere. Use a disguise, a spare license plate, and the last couple of miles, take a bicycle out of your car. 🙂 Leave no prints or dna. Wipe each round as you load the mag, wearing gloves. Use a brass catcher (or get rid of that gun). take nothing (ie, wallet, glasses, dentures" that will ID you if you get in a fight and lose them. the ID on the latter 2 can be ground off, but the fit is still for ONLY you, and the scerip-xray might be tracable, dunno.

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  37. Don Russell says:

    u CAN'T shoot or intimidate anyone with a gun you aint got at hand. You aint got any crystal ball telling you when the looters won't be around, and the looters aint letting you go trade your bolt action, pellet gun, xbow, shotgun etc for your fighting rifle.

    So, if it's shtf, you will have no choice but to always carry your fighting rifle, and that rifle BETTER be silenced, .22 and 223-capable, long range capable, concealable, rust-resistant, have luminous sights, able to pierce concealed armor, be rapidfire-capable, powerful enough to stop a man with one chest hit, and be lw, compact enough to ALWAYS be on your assault sling, with a BOB pack on your back.

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    • JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR. says:

      Us elderly folks are involved primarily with defense of our home . . . occupied by only an elderly disabled husband and wife and thus the husband at least should always to wear a handgun . . . always and of a major caliber an in a model with which one is very, very familiar. A shotgun is the second logical arm for defense; a 12 gauge Brownining A5 and a pair of pumps good choices. Rifles for us in our home are down the line quite a bit. Most of us savvy folks have them, especially we who grew in the South with firearms frequently used in hunting, plinking and 'target' shooting and thus have a lifetime of practice; some 70+ years in our case. Most of us readily aware that we will not survive an attack by mobs or government goon squads and, belonging to Our Lord for almost 65 years now have no problem with that, death inducing no fear and considered a certainty based on the exponential increase in 'police' attack home invasions, beatings, shootings and downright
      murders.

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  38. Don Russell says:

    I have heard, but don't know for sure, that 1 in 7" rifling twist means that normal 40 gr .22lr wont be accurate in the conversion unit of that AR, and I aint willing to waster $150 on a barrel swap to find out. 🙂 So I'll stick with 1 in 9" rifiling twist. I know that works ok. The 1 in 7" probably works fine with Aquila 60 gr .22 ammo, but that stuff's expensive and hard to find. It's great for the BOB, but a bit much for weekly training.

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  39. JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR. says:

    DEATH PENALTY CRIMES
    Correct me if I am in error, but it seems that there are almost NO crimes committed now days that result in the Death Penalty being handed down by the courts; that including premeditated murder, rape, kidnapping, and similar what are or should be considered 'hennas crimes'.

    It the above observation is, in point of fact, valid, recent discussions regarding the ‘cops gone wild' situation that seems to be a daily occurrence and involves not just one incident that is brought to 'light' but many, and this raised the question as to why the cops are permitted to not only point their weapons at 'suspects' that they seek to arrest for crimes where the death penalty is never involved . . . and thus by pointing a deadly weapon in these situations indicate their willingness to kill the individual that they have 'under the gun'; that from any point of view furnishing prima facia evidence of a willingness to murder and with malice of fore though . . . and they seem - almost without no exception - to 'get away' with this crime or, at best, get a 'slap on the hand' by the authorities and courts!!!

    A classic example involves a driver who reportedly was involved in an apparent speeding-traffic-stop or stopped for an even trivial reason, that a classic example which reportedly involved an old fellow with a walking stick who got our of his vehicle as I might as I am an old hearing impaired disabled fellow and, lo and behold, the cop not only pointed his weapon at the man but proceeded to shot him.

    Now that is a classic example of a trigger happy fellow that clearly indicates his being anything but level headed and responsible and thus he and his kind should never be armed and most certainly not be hired for any job involving authority over anyone; he, at best, fitted for a manual labor job where there is minimal potential for him to cause harm he is able to any of us.

    I fully am aware that times have undergone a drastic change from the 1950s, when, while in college, I served as a Special Deputy Ranger Volunteer with the County Ranger-Coroner's office; that when I was home from school and especially in the Summers. Having literally 'grown up' in Dad's shop where he built custom hunting rifles and did general gun-smithing, in this environment gained was a 'gun savvy safety first' knowledge of handing and shooting with safety and respect for firearms and, more importantly, how NOT TO USE THEM'.

    Back then the understanding was that if you pointed a firearm at someone you had better be in a life and death situation . . . and most certainly never in a situation that involving a suspect that was not an armed felon or strongly considered to be one.

    But that was back then when sanity ruled as opposed to this day and time when insanity seems to be the NORM.

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    • Don Russell says:

      In 2010, 39 inmates were executed in the United States[2] and 3,108 were on death row[3] – an execution rate of less than 2%. Many states such as Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Ohio and Arizona regularly execute convicted murderers. Texas has performed the most executions by far, and Oklahoma has had (through mid-2011) the highest per capita execution rate.[4]

      Looks to me like PLENTY get convicted of capital cases (doubtless many more could have been charged with same. 3000 are on death row. even if they average being there 10 years, that's 300 convictions per year. If typical conviction/plea/threat ratio applies, the possible # of people charged with a death case is 4x that high, too. Civilians get to point guns at people if they are threatened and they are not charged with upholding the law. Cops are.

      source, wikpedia.

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  40. Conrad Riedthaler says:

    as far as i'm concerend, what ever firearm your comfortable with and you can use it to the best of your ability, well use it!, for a rifle I use a 44-40 and a shotgun, for a hand gun I use a P-226 in 9mm, or my 45ACP, not every one can afford those fancy AR15's or something bigger, bigger is not always better and don't forget the cost of ammo!!!.

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    • Don Russell says:

      44-40 and a shotgun is going to total at least as much as the $600 you'll need to spend on a kit built AR-15, for a fact. The .22 conversion unit for the AR15 saves you 30c per shot on 223 ammo, even if you pay 12c per shot for the .22lr (which is much more than you need to pay, if you'll just look around, back order, buy off the guy at wally's etc. ) 🙂 And when all you have is a lever and a shotgun, you aint got a real fighting rifle. YOu don't have range, you don't have vehicle penetration, you can't use GI ammo, parts, or mags, you don't have a dark, rustproof finish, you don't have a threaded muzzle for a silencer, nor a flashhider, you don't have drop in luminous sights. If you want such sights, folding stocks, silencer, etc, on your guns, it will cost you a fortune. On just the AR and .22 unit, you only have to buy ONE set of such accessories.

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      • Don Russell says:

        silencers block the iron sights on many guns, and ruin the handling of a 12 ga (if they are big enough to actually reduce the noise enough to matter). putting luminous sights on a 44-40 is probably going to cost you $250 for the smithing work. 🙂 It's dark half of the time, and not being able to aim is a horrific handicap. The 12 ga's flash is so bad, using buckshot at night, that it destroys your night adapted vision for several minutes. Better keep a pair of Norton "earvalve" type earplugs or electronic (both ears) earmuffs hanging with your body armor and your flashlight, if the 12 ga is your game plan. 223 also, of course, if it's not "wearing" a silencer.

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    • Ron Hall says:

      Personally, I consider you well armed and from your commentary O hope rightly assume that you shoot those weapons with a comfortable familiarity! Few folks can afford $!,000 firearms, pistol, rifle or shotgun. God bless them for finding the money to put into all those firearms and ammunition. They have jobs that pay pretty well. You did not mention the gauge of that shotgun, so I assume it is a 12 gauge, with its many forms of loads to ward off
      undesirable things, or various food items. God bless you friend, and do not worry about vanity firearms, two, three, four and five thousand and up. The gold and fancy engraving, and things affixed to those expensive items. Their owners love them and lavish money on further customizing them. WE will shoot ours, though not as costly, but they shoot both very well and quite dependably. Collect ammo, for without it, any firearm only treats you ears to a well deserved "click." May you them in great health for hell of a long time!

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  41. This question is un-answerable; like asking who is the hottest women on Earth. Ask a thousand people, get a thousand opinions.
    The best survival long gun is...the one you've got.
    If you forced me at gunpoint, (pun intended), to make a list...one 12 ga shotgun, any configuration. One full-power. 30 cal rifle for game, 2 legs or 4. One .22 LR for small work.
    Side arms are anyone's choice.

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    • Mujesbude says:

      I agree, Bob. The best survival gun usually turns out to be the one you're shooting at the time you need it. And due to the enormous amount of choices these days and the attendant subjectivity according to personal preference, your suggestion would generally fit the bill.

      After decades of my own experience and reading the comments here by those who obviously have some knowledge and experience, i'll just add a couple other angles to consider.

      Survival is very different from just getting the best gun for the hunt, or the police work, or the target match.

      There are other considerations not so necessary in the above 'civilian' usage of firearms. There will be virtually No 'civility' in a bad case survival scenario.
      So the best analogy for the best apocalyptic survival firearm would be a military warfare scenario weapon, as opposed to a simple .22 rifle barrel over a 20g shotgun just for very basic predator protection and general hunting use.

      And the other thing is, while there is no such thing as having too many guns or too much ammo, budgets and logistics are the limiting factors here, especially in a major supply and resource emergency'

      So bottom line, in my humble but vastly experienced opinion, that leaves only one choice--for the ultimate survival gun, especially if you 'can only have one gun'.

      The lightest .223 AR-15 carbine you can get that suits your particular optic and accessory preferences. The modern AR platform is peerless. It can cover just about every contingency of survival fairly decently and since it IS the main individual combat weapon of the Military, it obviously is one of, if not THE best choice for the average survivalist in actual firefight usage.

      As for back up sidearms, i agree with you, there are so many good ones, it's almost useless to debate it, except if you are not a well practiced pistolero, i'd suggest a Glock 17 (9mm) with extra extended HI-cap mags just because it's simple action and proven reliability is better for inexperienced shooters, even though it is a major choice for professionals, as well.

      A 12g is a good choice ONLY in the hands of an experienced shotgun shooter/hunter. Otherwise you'll miss more than you'll hit, like a lot of cops i've trained with who were never skeet shooters or bird hunters and couldn't hit much with them. Mythology not withstanding. And the other thing is that they have the most performance and application limitations that wouldn't be good in a general survival situation.

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      • One more angle on this discussion. I find too often, we focus on the best gun, and not ammo. Ammo ammo ammo.
        My collection consists of only common calibers; .22LR, .38/.357, 7.62x39, .308, etc etc. I dont own a. 357 Sig, a. 22 Swift, .300 WinMag and so on. And no wildcat calibers. Unless you're a hand-loader, and I only know perhaps two people out of a hundred who do, (and one of those grenaded his K-frame Smith when he double-charged a. 357 mag round. Nobody got hurt, just his pride after much laughter), then uncommon calibers will do you little good.
        If you should find yourself trading for ammunition, it will be a helluva lot easier to locate 12 ga than 16 ga., . 30-06 than 8mm Mauser, 9mm Parabellum than 9mm Makarov and so on.
        Does not matter what you shoot, but ammo needs to be possible to obtain. Otherwise, it's just a club.

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        • Mujesbude says:

          Yup, more people than you think don't consider ammo. Both in the caliber department AND stocking up enough.

          That's why i like the AR-15 platform above anything else. With one lower receiver you can have additional uppers in many different calibers.

          The two most ubiquitous pistol calibers these days are 9mm and .40. Not many people know that a Glock .40 caliber Glock 22, the most common police carry, can switch to a .357 Sig barrel and use the same .40 magazines. AND, 'Cheaper than dirt' sells a drop in 9mm barrel for the Glock 22 and since the 9mm Glock 17 magazine will fit and work in a Glock 22. (basically the same frame), you can shoot three different calibers (four, actually, if he get one of those .22 conversion kits also) out of your Glock 22 which makes it a hard sidearm to beat for all around survival and everything else.

          Also, i read a survival article somewhere that the 30-06 would come in even above .308 as being the most common high powered rifle cartridge in terms of widespread availability. You can find a box of 30-06 ammo virtually anywhere in the country. Every small town hardware store anywhere might not have .223, but they'll have some 30-06.

          Which is also the main redeeming factor for a 12 gauge. The ammo, and reloading components, is everywhere.

          But for those of you who think that the 12 gauge is 'boss' of the applesauce, for firefight confrontations, make sure you get out there and prove it to yourself with some practice. You might be surprised how 'limited' it is, ESPECIALLY if you are not skillfully well practiced with it.

          I know police tactical shotgun INSTRUCTORS who will not use one in favor of their AR-15 carbine, unless that's all they have. And they still better have a good pistol backup on them.

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  42. CavScoutSniper says:

    @ Don:
    If the 45-70 is a "JOKE" like you state, when can you be available to be shot with one?

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  43. You know It's kind of stupid to mention survival without the knowledge of how to collect the protein needed to care for yourself . Anyone who intends to live off the land and not know how to set a snare is only planning his own death . A roll of para chord or two , in different camo colors , will take all the game needed to sustain any number of people . I've snared deer with telephone wire so it is possible . Every prepper should get a book on snares and dead falls and learn how to use it . You'll have all the meat you need and never fire a shot . A couple large rat traps will catch squirrels and other rodents . My dad and I used to go on survival trips and we'd eat like kings for 4 or 5 days . Think ahead , be smart , be prepared . Don't waste your ammo or give yourself away . Get a copy of Fur - Fish and Game from your news stand , go to the back and buy a good book on Snares and Dead falls , learn it , use it and eat well .

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  44. Kel-tec Sub-2000 chambered in 40S&W, a couple of Glocks also chambered in 40S&W, and your own handloading setup. Voila, total flexibility, good firepower. Add a scope on the Sub-2000 and lasers on the Glocks, and you're hard to beat.

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    • Keltech 2K40? You bet. This was my vote months ago, but it seemed no others were in tune. My Keltech 2K40 is

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    • Keltech 2K40 is accurate enough to pop a squirrel or rabitt and hits hard enough to take a deer at 50 to 75 yards. Its been reported that at 50 yards it hits almost as hard as a 41 mag. Most all deer in my area are taken within 45 yards. If I do get into a firefight I figure I could take a two legged advisary at 100, maybe 150 yards by adjusting for drop. Coupled with a Glock 40 and an extra mag for each, what more is needed.

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      • To dave and Duane, good points you guys bring up. The Kel-tec .40 carbine is a good inexpensive defense or short range hunting platform. It's light, handy, and with a 3 or 1 MOA dot sight, it's fast, accurate, and has enough power out to 100+ meters.

        Those who 'know' the reality of such things understand that there is nothing a .45 can do better than a .40. or even a 9mm anymore depending upon the ammo you use. The standard fmj truncated rounds you see everywhere pretty cheap for around 12-16 bucks a box now, can be drilled for a better CQB round or drilled tight and a hardened 1/8" or less steel core can be glued and pressed a drilled hole for better 'penetrating' power in an anything goes shtif no laws applying anymore survival scenario.

        So yes, it's a very good all around 'grab and go' all day carry platform for the cost effectiveness with the back up pistols in the same caliber if you don't need to reach out to starwars distances. It's a huge urban myth these days that just because you have a .308 'sniper' or battle rifle you can easily pick them off at 300 plus meters. As Mark Twain would say..."that just ain't so..." You need to be fairly well trained and continuously PRACTICED before you can guarantee yourself 98% consistency of hits past 300 meters, even with a good scope. Especially on windy or rainy days...which will be just when 'they come'.

        But it doesn't take that much practice with a rifle to make consistent enough hits under 100 meters. That's why after all was said and done, most actual combat infantry soldiers waited to return rifle fire if an enemy was attacking, until they were under a couple hundred meters, but not yet in grenade throwing range.

        Did you know that the Glock 22 (.40) caliber is probably your most versatile pistol in the world? Not only do they have very nice Israeli dropin-or up, rather- folding stock carbine attachments--unfortunately pricey at around 500 bucks, that fit the Glock 22, and 30 round magazines, (.40 glock mags also fit the 357 sig cartridge)
        So all you need to convert to what amounts to almost a light rifle cartridge in terms of sheer power is to switch barrels in you glock 22!

        But wait! There's more, lol! If you order in the next 10 minutes!" ...for instance frome Cheaper than dirt, you can buy a 9mm barrel that drops right into Glock 22 to fire the 9mm cartridge!

        I know you'd say, what about the magazines? Well, while the 9mm won't work in the .40 magazines because of the lip size, guess what? the frames of the Glock 22 (.40) and Glock 17 (9mm), are basically the same! So the glock 17 9mm mags fit right in the Glock 22! How's that for coolness? As far as the 9mm cartridge working on the .40 slide. the actual outside case diameter between the two cartridges is only 1mm, which is even more insignificant when spread in a circumference, so it works with the slide face and extractor in a .40 slide!

        How's that for survival versatility?! And i'll bet they even make a .22 long rifle conversion kit for it also?

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  45. Cody, I agree with your choices proposed here. For the .223 cartridge, I have a Mini 14, which is based on the M1 carbine design. Then, the AK and the lever gun (not that caliber). I like to get maximum versatility or usefulness from all my survival gear and weapons as well. I build a system, so to speak, based on commonality of shared resources such as ammo caliber. And like most folks, am pretty limited in finances for my 'armory'. In that idea of selecting my gear out over many years, I 'settled' for the AK and it's ammo type. For my AK (7.62x39) I back it up with an SKS, both rifles being well proven on the many battlefields on earth, so that if some wildly unforeseen problem knocks out the AK, the SKS backup is pulled out, and loaded with the same ammo reserves. Works for the lever gun as well, in .357 magnum, which fired from the much longer barrel of the carbine, gives that 'pistol cartridge' about a 50% boost in velocity and foot pounds of energy, and is of course shared with all my revolvers.

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  46. First off there is no fully automatic version of the AR-15. Colt and Armalite don't make semi-automatic versions of the AR-15 they make AR-15 other wise it would be called an M-16 or M-4. 45-70 gov ammo is expensive and heavy recoiling. Probably not every ones gun. .22 are easy to stop with just some thick hard material and I wouldn't trust them to stop people. The smartest thing this guy said was the AK-47 and if you add a 12 ga I am not sure there is any situation you can't handle.

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  47. "M1 Carbine was for years considered to be one of the best combat rifles in the world. Designed as a more compact and lightweighted version of the M1 Garand"

    Wrong on both counts. It was never considered to be one of the best combat rifles. It was designed as and considered to be a good personal defense weapon for officers, drivers, radio operators, and other non-infantry personnel. Its butt and longer barrel made it a more stable, accurate self-defense weapon than a handgun, and the .30 Carbine round, which is ballistically almost identical to .357 Magnum, served that self-defense role well, but it received a lot of complaints when it was pressed into service as a main combat rifle in WWII and Korea - a role it was never designed for.

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    • Forgot to emphasize that the M-1 carbine is a completely different design than the Garand, it isn't a scale-down exercise or even based on the Garand. It has only one part in common, a short butt plate screw. It uses an entirely different gas system and trigger mechanism.

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    • Ron Hall says:

      I have heard that there are one million M1 carbines stored in South Korea, I own one and enjoy shooting it. I have read that Obama will not allow them to be shipped back to this country, to be sold off to our private citizens, even though they are still considered to be a "lesser cartridge." Put that on hold for a bit, and know that I have also read, that again, in South Korea there are also
      one million M1 Garand rifles, and Obama will not allow them to be brought back to the United States, for sale to the citizens of this nation. For those who are informed, please answer two questions? Note the short description of each rifle are "M1". First is it possible that there is actually only one million M1 rifles in South Korea? If so which rifle are they referring to? Second, why will Obama not allow these rifles (either one or two million them, allowed to be returned to the taxpayers who paid for their manufacture in the first place.
      The NRA used to arrange the sale of military weapons to the citizens of our nation, why not again, and put all the money obtained by the sale of one or two million rifles be given to offset a nice part of the 18 Trillion national debt?
      There must be some sort of storage fee for keeping them in that foreign nation. The firearms are not going to be the latest development in the our battle inventory. Surely they will not be sold or given to Iran, as part of their
      new pact with Obama. The Irani' and other Muslim citizens seem to love the AR-47 and its off-shoots. I feel like converting those firearms into cash toward the immediate payment toward our national debt would be a wise move on the part of our government. Our citizens will gobble them up, for they are pieces of our national defense history. Some of you in-the-know gentlemen can furnish those answers or it can be debated!

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  48. I hate reading all the know it all letters from guys.It is bad for our cause to argure guns.In a true shtf or eotwawki the guns and ammo is the least important thing.shelter,hiding food,first aid,warm clothes,are way more important.knives,arrows and traps will feed you.Mindset will be everything.So when everyone panics and heads to wal mart to only be killed,I will be underground,not wanting to watch the carnival.I have been watching that my whole life.

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    • Scott these debates are to help each other with suggestions, not be "know it alls."The BEST mindset in a SHTF is to treat ALL of the elements of survival as EQUALLY as possible. Since self defense WILL unfortunately be a part of it, the best way to protect you and yours is with a rifle/firearm. This article specifically addresses the top 6 rifles for survival. When the ammo is all gone, then knives ( as you mentioned ) will be the next best tool for survival. So why not have the BEST method/mindset until it's not available anymore? What survival/self defense blades do you have? I prefer the kukri for all around, and a dagger for self defense

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      • Duane Hughes says:

        I totally agree. This discussion of what is the best weapon is useless. The truth of is all is the best for you is probably what`s in you closet or on your hip. What is best depends on your view point formed from your personal surrounding and conditions. Why opt for a weapon that reaches 500 yards if your neighbors are 40 yards away. Collateral damage must be in the equation. If we view survival for self only what is of value is this world. Even a .22 with a one mile range must be viewed with this in mind.
        So, let's get back to the basic question of how to ensure survival for us, our families and those within our circle of influence that we all might live to find a better day. How about meat, vegetables, water, shelter. And remember encouraging others to minimize panic.

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    • Kukriking says:

      This is healthy discussion, a friendly debate, if you will, about the preferred weapons for SURVIVAL. There's NOTHING bad about that (for our cause). Even YOU are gonna have to come out of your bunker (not to mention we ALL can't have a bunker) at some point and I'm sure you'd want more security than just a knife. Don't get me wrong, a good blade is THE most essential tool to have ( kukri:#1) but firearms w plenty of ammo is better. Sorry man, but I don't see ANY know-it-alls here. We're just trying to help each other out.

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    • Ron Hall says:

      Note that I have purchased ammo there, in Walmart for my grandson and me to use to sharpen our shooting skills. They are always out or in very short supply of .22 LR, and I cannot understand why the American and perhaps world's largest retailer does not have a larger priority on the ammunition market, with all the major ammunition firms manufacturing , why Walmart is not getting their share. I have been there at our local Walmart when the ammunition is sold at 8 o'clock at night, on Tuesday. Three boxes to each
      customer and there is generally only one box to share, among those few customers are there! The week before last the ammo went to about five people and it was gone, one small package of .22 LR, for bout 12 folks patiently standing in line to get their meager ration of .22' ammo. It would seem that someone at Wal Mart are not doing their job correctly, and the person ordering the ammunition is not familiar with firearms or their ammunition re-supply methods. Perhaps they should get in touch with foreign manufacturers and get a more plentiful supply for their customers! Apparently someone needs to be replaced, in their purchasing department!
      Any suggestions or solutions?

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  49. For me it is a mix breed tnh.
    Lee Enfield No4 Mk2 .303 (shoots Hornady 174gr BTHP .312), Weaver 4-16 F/C dot scope, AAC Suppressor, original wood stock + wood cheek piece. This is my 150 + yard gun.
    Kimber Stainless Target II 10mm (200gr HP bullets / 220gr JHP ), 6in flutted barrel & 5.90" slide. Side Arm.
    Glock 29 10mm (200gr JHP) fugly gun but works. back up.
    Ruger Mini-30 7.62x39 (loves 150gr Hornady SP interlocks). Main rifle for med engagements.
    FN FAL (Siera 168gr BTHP) Swarovski Z6 5-25 4W scope, wood stock and cheek piece, bi pod, free floating barrel, McGowen 24in Med weight barrel, AAC 300-TM suppressor.
    I got others but these would be my choices from my collection

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  50. Ron Hall says:

    Fascinating comments and mine is small but not insignificant! For those of you who have an item too long for conventional storage, one might go to their local plumbing shop or supply store, and they will discover long lengths of PVC pipe, with appropriate plumbing devices which can be opened for clean out the contents. The come in various circumferences , to at least six inches, and might be precisely that which you seek for problems which can occur with underground installations. Seal them well, but use devices which will help in removing anything inside. Seek and you shall find!

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  51. i have an m21 on a sage chasis system w/ leupold mark 6 glass and a aimpoint 45 degree red dot for my long range purposes. I have a Daniel Defense AR double tax stamp 10 inch barrel w/ silencer ( along with the .22 conversion BCG) . Para Ordnance black ops 1911 double stack, Glock 23 (.40 cal) and have a 9mm lone wolf conversion barrel. This setup allows me to be reasonably light weight as my system is vehicle based. The piece of equipment that allows me to run 2 rifles is my eberlestock gunslinger 2 which has a built in rifle scabbard. For my personal well being I also have a crye precision plate carrier which is set up bare bones with my glock 23 ( w/ tlr-2 light laser) on the high chest portion and "IFAK" on the rear portion and tournaquit and 1 single AR mag pouch 2 glock mag pouches. I have a " battle belt" with a drop leg holster w/ para black ops w/ tlr-2 the belt itself has 3 double ar mag pouches and 3 m21 single mag pouches. The jeep wrangler has all emergency ammo and a comprehensive medical bag that can treat anything from a skinned knee to chemical warfare exposure ( limited treatment to nerve and blood agents)

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  52. Why not just stick with a good old mosin? The M1 is great, but for solo survival you need range.

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  53. People underestimate a good accurate 22lr.
    I have remington's rugers and marlins.
    By far my Marlin 22 mag bolt actions is the most accurate weapon that I have ever fired other than the m1 G.
    10,000 rounds under 300 dollars.

    People also neglect to think about preservice ammo CORRECTLY!
    You want your ammo to last 1000 years. get some 2 inch pvc and caps drill some holes and put a stocking full of sodium hydroxide in it.

    I have one acrylic box I keep under vacuum.
    I know that sounds crazy.... but it works

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    • Sodium hydroxide? What for? Sodium hydroxide is corrosive, eventually it will corrode the cases. If you're trying to keep moisture away, better silicon dioxide.

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  54. Now you're talking good sense. It

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  55. Now you're talking good sense. It's your wit more than your weapon. Oh, and don't forget your family.

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  56. rockin rd76 says:

    I read the initial article and fat forwarded here bypassing the other comments. In your initial list, I find it surprising that the SKS was not included. It is more affordable than an AR, has a healthy amount of aftermarket upgrades, is more accurate than an AK, and is also one of the most available rifles on the planet and has more manageable recoil than a Marlin 45-70. It uses the same ammo as the AK-47, so it is cheap to keep in ammo, and for under $500 you can land the rifle and a few upgrades to make it a good, comfortable shooter. Shame on you for not including it.

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  57. thank you for your article. couple of other options to consider: Airforce Condor air rifle and shotgun, such as the Rossi Rio Grande lever action .410. The Condor can shoot .22 pellets at 1250 fps, comparable to a .22 LR. Suppose worst case you could cast your own pellets but haven't heard or seen molds. I like the shotgun option because of its versatility -- shoot anything from bird shot to buckshot to slugs. 100 yds would be pushing the limit with a slug but otherwise you can't beat the flexibility. 7.62x39 is plentiful and cheap which makes Ruger mini 30, AK47, etc. worth considering.

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  58. 77666666;; says:

    The m1 carbine sucked. No stopping power, and it was unreliable. In todays survival situation ammo would be hard to come by. Bad choice, I have no clue why it would be on this list.

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    • While the cal .30 M-1 Carbine gets a bad rap, it does have it's own redeeming qualities. First and foremost is its reliability. Like the cal .45 M-1911A1, you can drop it in the mud and still fire it.

      It was designed solely for the purpose of providing troops on crew served weapons a shoulder fired weapon instead of a pistol. As a pistol round it performs admirably. It will actually penetrate deeper into armor plate than a cal .30 M2 ball round. (personal experience)

      If you re-barrel this little carbine to cal .357 Magnum you will find similar ballistics in ammo that is easy to find. You could then shoot cal .38's, .38+P's, and .357 Magnum interchangeably. Convert it to 9 mm and you will find even more ammo available for it.

      The carbine also lends itself to easy conversion to an automatic weapon.

      Again, as a replacement for a pistol, the carbine is a good choice. Besides, ever try to put a bayonet on a pistol? Giggle

      Semper Fi!

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  59. At the end of the day, it's the round that matters, regardless of your choice of firearm. Where you take your combat or survival to, decides what you ought to use, based on availability & affordability of ammo. Without the ammo, the rifle is only good as a grave marker.

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  60. Does anyone other than Ruger manufacture a good quality low price mini 14 or 30'rifle? Ruger 14 and 30's are very expensive here in California.

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  61. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you have as long as you are proficient with it. Training is, and always has been, the great equalizer. My personal choice is my AR and either a glock 19, a Beretta M9 or my 1911 .45. I spent the last 16 years carrying one or the other during my time as an Infantry Marine or as a DSS security contractor. A .22 in the hands of someone that knows how to employ it, is far more effective than a .50 cal in the hands of someone who doesn't. And the thought that a .380 or any caliber smaller than a 9mm is not nearly as effective, I say nay. If that were the case, they simply wouldn't be made. I know several former SEALs, Delta operators, Recon Marines and the like who carry .32s and .380s as their EDC and trust their lives to those calibers. It's about effective employment. To put it in locker room speak, what good is having a 10 inch horsecock if you can't get it up? She laughs and hooks up with a guy with a 6 inch thing that knows how to use it. Yes, that's a crass example, but I think it makes my point.

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  62. I will take my 1874 sharps in 45-70 and my 1851 navy revolver think the sharps is overkill let me know

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  63. The ar-15 can replace every firearm on the list in respect to capabilities, a 5.56 .223 rifle has the ability to fire .22lr with a cmmg
    conversion bolt and special magazines for cheaper than you can purchase a dedicated .22 rifle. There are .50 beowulf and .458 socom conversions to mimic the ballistics of the 45-70 lever gun, and a .300blk conversion to add an easily suppressor ready caliber that is slightly superior to the ak 7.62x39mm caliber. All the conversions are cheaper than buying entire weapons, and while no one is capable of carrying all the individual rifles, their ammunition , spare parts, and respective ammunition and magazines plus any needed survival gear that the author described one feasibly could carry two or three conversions for the ar15 with no additional accessories than one already has on the rifle such as lights, lasers, optics, slings, and iron sight enhancements. The ar15 provides all of the mentioned perceived needs at a lower cost then buying two or three of these guns to cover all of your survival bases. And, I don't recall him mentioning a pump shotgun either. (However some shotgun calibers are available for the ar15) so, as politely as I can say to this article...what the fuck is this guy and the rest of you talking about ?

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    • Fredrick Rehders says:

      You made some awesome points, coolhand! Personally, I will do my best to survive in place. We worked too hard and too long to get here and I keep a close watch on socio-economics. I have prepared for the coming economic crisis. I can set a perimeter, provide water, food & shelter. I can hunt, fish and garden, if supplies become depleted and/or we get over-run, we have several places to go deeper into the country. I would not choose the same weapons for personal defense, that I would choose for competition target shooting. Ones ability to standardize calibers and gauges, and reload are important, as well as the knowledge and ability to stealth hunt. Noise not only scares game away, but gives the hunters position away.

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  64. Fredrick Rehders says:

    The very first thing to do is break it down and thoroughly clean it, then lightly re-lube it! Take it to the range and run 40 -80 quality rounds through it and go home and clean it again, as above. All firearms need a break-in period. A new gun that had never been fired, or cleaned nearly cost me my life, several years ago! Never trust a weapon, that you lack personal range time with. Especially, a new never cleaned or fired one.

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  23. […] that is made of wood, has a removable tray, a storage drawer, and two padded Y-yoke inserts to hold your rifle or […]

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  24. […] that is made of wood, has a removable tray, a storage drawer, and two padded Y-yoke inserts to hold your rifle or […]

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  25. […] people rely on guns for personal safety, while newer technologies are beginning to overshadow conventional guns. Considering that […]

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  26. […] people rely on guns for personal safety, while newer technologies are beginning to overshadow conventional guns. Considering that EMP […]

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  27. […] A cowboy’s best friend is his weapon. In the old days of the West, a cowboy needed a handy weapon, one he could carry around easily and that would be multi-purpose, for controlling his cattle and protecting him from ‘ cattle rustlers’. […]

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  28. […] A cowboy’s best friend is his weapon. In the old days of the West, a cowboy needed a handy weapon, one he could carry around easily and that would be multi-purpose, for controlling his cattle and protecting him from ‘ cattle rustlers’. […]

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  29. […] A cowboy’s best friend is his weapon. In the old days of the West, a cowboy needed a handy weapon, one he could carry around easily and that would be multi-purpose, for controlling his cattle and protecting him from ‘ cattle rustlers’. […]

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  30. […] A cowboy’s best friend is his weapon. In the old days of the West, a cowboy needed a handy weapon, one he could carry around easily and that would be multi-purpose, for controlling his cattle and protecting him from ‘ cattle rustlers’. […]

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  31. […] A cowboy’s best friend is his weapon. In the old days of the West, a cowboy needed a handy weapon, one he could carry around easily and that would be multi-purpose, for controlling his cattle and protecting him from ‘ cattle rustlers’. […]

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  32. […] A cowboy’s best friend is his weapon. In the old days of the West, a cowboy needed a handy weapon, one he could carry around easily and that would be multi-purpose, for controlling his cattle and protecting him from ‘ cattle rustlers’. […]

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  33. […] A cowboy’s best friend is his weapon. In the old days of the West, a cowboy needed a handy weapon, one he could carry around easily and that would be multi-purpose, for controlling his cattle and protecting him from ‘ cattle rustlers’. […]

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  34. […] This article has been written by Cody Griffin for Survivopedia. […]

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  35. […] A cowboy’s best friend is his weapon. In the old days of the West, a cowboy needed a handy weapon, one he could carry around easily and that would be multi-purpose, for controlling his cattle and protecting him from ‘ cattle rustlers’. […]

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  36. […] there’s a food shortage, you may find yourself having to go hunting, which you’ll need a rifle for. Another reason why shooting lessons are important as you want to make sure you successfully […]

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  37. […] wood is often used for gun stocks. Therefore, if you plan to have guns in a post crisis world, this tree can be very important to you, especially if you plan to barter gun stocks or other […]

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  38. […] are six things you MUST take into account when selecting the right survival rifle for you. These […]

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  39. […] is a few feet away and the star has enough distance to gain some rotational force. Always have a weapon on hand that can be used at closer quarters to back up the throwing […]

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  41. […] A cowboy’s best friend is his weapon. In the old days of the West, a cowboy needed a handy weapon, one he could carry around easily and that would be multi-purpose, for controlling his cattle and protecting him from ‘ cattle rustlers’. […]

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